Yes Obama is Socialist in his beliefs.

As to your interpretation of his comments in 2001. I am afraid I must disagree. In saying "it is marked by some of the fundamental flaws of the 18th century" he is speaking of the Constitution. That statement means he believes that the Constitution is fundamentally flawed. His own words! Surely crafted to flow in a fashion for people to come to the conclusion you reached. But your conclusion is in error.

On to slavery! "(A)bsolutely no one who was close to the founding fathers pushed the question whether slaves should be allowed to vote or if slavery was a decent state of affairs in a free republic". This is simply untrue. Many wanted to eliminate slavery. But in doing so they would have doomed the birth of the United States. The language extent in the Constitution was in fact a compromise between the pro and anti slavery blocs in the convention.

Quote Originally Posted by gagged_Louise View Post

(W)hat Obama said back in 2001 (it's on Youtube) was that the constitution was an admirable document (and so it should be respected, worked from and held in high estem) but that it was also marked by some of the fundamental flaws of the 18rth century society it came from. ... Back in the day slavery was taken for granted, absolutely no one who was close to the founding fathers pushed the question whether slaves should be allowed to vote or if slavery was a decent state of affairs in a free republic -