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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth694 View Post
    because Arizona police are expected to refer so many illegal immigrants to federal authorities.
    If nothing else this case will illustrate the incompetence of the Federal Government in doing their duty to protect the citizens of the State of Arizona. If they were doing their job, we would not need the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTails View Post
    If they were doing their job, we would not need the law.
    Am I mistaken in understanding that the Arizona law is merely a tool which allows their police officers to actually enforce existing Federal laws?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    Am I mistaken in understanding that the Arizona law is merely a tool which allows their police officers to actually enforce existing Federal laws?
    The short answer is, No, you are not mistaken.
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    No! You are not mistaken. That is exactly what it is.
    I find it hard to believe that you of all people have not actually read the law.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    Am I mistaken in understanding that the Arizona law is merely a tool which allows their police officers to actually enforce existing Federal laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post
    No! You are not mistaken. That is exactly what it is.
    I find it hard to believe that you of all people have not actually read the law.
    I spent a month one weekend trying to work my way through the laws regarding transportation of hazardous materials, with nothing to show for it but a headache. Since then I try to avoid actually reading the actual laws, relying on interpretations of those I trust (from both sides of the issues whenever possible). Besides, not living in AZ, the actual wording of the law is not that important to me. The fact that the Feds want to quash it is enough to tell me it's probably a good law.
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    What would you like to know about Title 49? Maybe I could help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    I spent a month one weekend trying to work my way through the laws regarding transportation of hazardous materials, with nothing to show for it but a headache. Since then I try to avoid actually reading the actual laws, relying on interpretations of those I trust (from both sides of the issues whenever possible). Besides, not living in AZ, the actual wording of the law is not that important to me. The fact that the Feds want to quash it is enough to tell me it's probably a good law.

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    The fact that it is only 16 pages makes the hue and cry against it even less understandable.
    In spite of my opposition to the health care bill I did not read every page. Especially since so much of it is duplication.

    Heard some good comments today, asking why the DOJ is not suing governments that have clearly stated that they will not enforce, or aid in the enforcement of Federal law.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    I spent a month one weekend trying to work my way through the laws regarding transportation of hazardous materials, with nothing to show for it but a headache. Since then I try to avoid actually reading the actual laws, relying on interpretations of those I trust (from both sides of the issues whenever possible). Besides, not living in AZ, the actual wording of the law is not that important to me. The fact that the Feds want to quash it is enough to tell me it's probably a good law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    Am I mistaken in understanding that the Arizona law is merely a tool which allows their police officers to actually enforce existing Federal laws?
    You're exactly right. That is what the law is about. Not only doesn it allow Arizona officers to enforce an existing Federal Law, but it also points out (to the remainder of the U.S.) that the Federal government is dropping the ball.

    (which is likely the REAL reason for the lawsuit)
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelish View Post
    You're exactly right. That is what the law is about. Not only doesn it allow Arizona officers to enforce an existing Federal Law, but it also points out (to the remainder of the U.S.) that the Federal government is dropping the ball.

    (which is likely the REAL reason for the lawsuit)

    But the Government already dropped the ball on immigration when it did not take to task the localities that have expressly stated that they will not enforce existing Federal law or assist Federal agencies in the enforcement of same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post

    But the Government already dropped the ball on immigration when it did not take to task the localities that have expressly stated that they will not enforce existing Federal law or assist Federal agencies in the enforcement of same.
    Yes, true. I was simply reiterating what the state legislature in Arizona said during an interview. They are trying to "nudge" the Federal government into doing their job. Arizona has become frustrated with the federal government's lack of interest in protecting America's borders, therefore, they decided to do something about it. Kudos to them.
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