Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
Yet don't most religious people proclaim their religion (or their god) to be the arbiter of morality? According to them, one cannot be moral without religion.
I can't really speak for "most" religious people. TMy instructors did not so claim. Nor have I had that experience from members of other religions with which I have spoken. That even includes the Seventh Day Adventists and the Witnesses.

Morality is, perhaps, even more fundamental than religion.