Suprmem Court Ruling

[StrictMasterD]

Only In American can you join the Armed Forced, Fight for the Freedom's we so Cherish ect, Freedpom Of Speech etc, etc only to DIE fighting for these Freedoms and the return home to be buried only to be Humiliated, Tormented etc right before you are laid to rest and our TOP COURT says "That's ok to Do"
Wonder if ANY of our Foundinf Fathers are turnig in their Graves

[Ozme52]

Only In American can you join the Armed Forced, Fight for the Freedom's we so Cherish ect, Freedpom Of Speech etc, etc only to DIE fighting for these Freedoms and the return home to be buried only to be Humiliated, Tormented etc right before you are laid to rest and our TOP COURT says "That's ok to Do"
Wonder if ANY of our Foundinf Fathers are turnig in their Graves

No! IMO They're rejoicing that we still hold these freedoms dear.

In countries where said armed forces fight to suppress the freedom to protest, aka free speech, they're instead asked to create more funeral opportunities amongst the protesting population.

The solution is not to limit our rights, but to exercise them with the same fervor we protect them. So AGAIN, I'll say, let's organzie and go protest at their church functions, their gatherings, and especially at their funerals. Give them a taste of the same verbal hate they like to dish out. Protest on the public streets in front of their homes so all their neighbors know how vile they are in their beliefs.

[StrictMasterD]

No! IMO They're rejoicing that we still hold these freedoms dear.

In countries where said armed forces fight to suppress the freedom to protest, aka free speech, they're instead asked to create more funeral opportunities amongst the protesting population.

The solution is not to limit our rights, but to exercise them with the same fervor we protect them. So AGAIN, I'll say, let's organzie and go protest at their church functions, their gatherings, and especially at their funerals. Give them a taste of the same verbal hate they like to dish out. Protest on the public streets in front of their homes so all their neighbors know how vile they are in their beliefs.

Anf if we did you that they would CRY FOUL, this is private etc etc
And Thans Ozme52 for you comments and support on this thread
Vile is TOO KIND OF A WORD to use towards them

[MrEmann]

While I believe The Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are sacred, behind only the bible itself, the so called church is wrong. Yes we have Freedom Of Speech as defined in Article One of the bill of rights. It is sacred. However just because I have the God given right to say something, God also gave Me a brain. Not everything I want to say is the right thing to say.

First of all not one soldier anywhere on God's green earth has been killed because "God hates fags" Because God doesn't. God loves us all. God does not like homosexuality. He still loves the homosexual. That is to say God loves us all. He may not love, nor even like all we do, but He loves us all. So much so in fact he only made one of each one of us.

So the so called church is wrong on that count

Second, God does not like gossip, back biting or ratchet jaws. So for the "church" to go around saying the carp they do violates God's law as much as homosexuality. Possibly more

So the "church" miss there as well

Third God tells us not to judge. After all it's his job. So for them to suggest that any soldier died because of God not like gays, clearly doesn't know shit.

So as I see it the "church" is wrong on nearly everything...

I can't speak for everyone, but I know I have enough problems of My own, enough sin of My own, that I will deal with keeping Me and God on good terms. Yeah I will help anyone I can help, who wants it. I just don't have time to be running around pointing fingers at the rest of you. Jesus died for my sins...Yeah he died for yours as well. However I cannot accept that gift for you any more than I can force you to accept that gift.

All I will say is this. No soldier has died because God hates fags. No soldier has died because God hated the soldier. Soldiers die because the evilness of human kind makes wars a thing that cannot always be avoided. Unfortunately the men that start wars rarely, if ever actually fight them.

[Thorne]

A side note to my friend denuseri: He tasks me!

While I believe The Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are sacred, behind only the bible itself

Part of the problem in this country is that there are far too many (like the members of that church) who are willing to to place a collection of Bronze Age fairy tales containing the collected wisdom of ancient goatherds above the laws and well-being of the nation.

Yes we have Freedom Of Speech as defined in Article One of the bill of rights. It is sacred. However just because I have the God given right to say something, God also gave Me a brain. Not everything I want to say is the right thing to say.

It is NOT a God given right! It is a right given to us by MEN, the founders of this nation.

First of all not one soldier anywhere on God's green earth has been killed because "God hates fags" Because God doesn't. God loves us all. God does not like homosexuality. He still loves the homosexual.

Then why this? Lev.20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Is this not the "word of God"?

So the so called church is wrong on that count

Apparently not!

Third God tells us not to judge. After all it's his job.

But wait! What about: Lev 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."
Oh, I see. That's OLD Testament. What does the New Testament say?
Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged."
Yeah, that seems to agree with you.
But Paul doesn't: 1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

So as I see it the "church" is wrong on nearly everything...

Apparently not. I guess it depends on just WHICH part of the Bible you choose to read, and just how you choose to interpret it.

All I will say is this. No soldier has died because God hates fags. No soldier has died because God hated the soldier. Soldiers die because the evilness of human kind makes wars a thing that cannot always be avoided. Unfortunately the men that start wars rarely, if ever actually fight them.

At least here I can, and do, agree with you.

[denuseri]

So your real name is Khan now Thorne? lol Oh and btw thanks once again for the stereotyping and calling all people of faith stupid.

[Thorne]

So your real name is Khan now Thorne?

I've tried to hide it for far too long. You may all begin worshiping me now.

Oh and btw thanks once again for the stereotyping and calling all people of faith stupid.

I didn't call, or even imply, that anyone is stupid. Just that people (myself included) can say, and do, and believe, stupid things. Believing that a black cat crossing your path means bad luck is stupid. Believing that breaking a mirror brings seven years bad luck is stupid. Believing that there is a real pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is stupid. And yes, believing that the Bible (or the Koran, or any number of other religious books) is accurate, historical, and the inviolate Word of God is stupid. That does NOT mean that everyone who believes in a god, or any number of gods, is stupid! Just that they sometimes do stupid things. Like the rest of humanity.

[DuncanONeil]

Does not any persons free speech rights only extend so fasr as they do not impinge the rights of others.

No I don't support the ruling!

[thir]

Does not any persons free speech rights only extend so fasr as they do not impinge the rights of others.

No I don't support the ruling!

Wow!

[Kuskovian]

Unfortunately the men that start wars rarely, if ever actually fight them.

It would be a better world if they had to be right up on the front where the metal meets the meat with the rest of us.

I may not agree with what the so called church in question here is saying. Hell I don't agree with what any church is saying.

But I do defend their right to say it.

Are they assholes for saying it when and where they are saying it?

Yes!

They bring dishonor on their heads when they attack the very people who defend them.

[thir]

[B][COLOR="white"]It would be a better world if they had to be right up on the front where the metal meets the meat with the rest of us.

Yes!! (Not that I include myself in 'us', only that I agree.)

In fact, as perhaps a side issue, I have never understood how anyone can be a pro solider, you'd have to trust [I]the politicians[/I ]to start a war for a good reason, and take the right decisions. I mean..I could never do that. I do not trust the leaders of mine or any other country.

But I do defend their right to say it.
Are they assholes for saying it when and where they are saying it?
Yes!

This it excatly what I do not get: that freedom of speech also means saying it anywhere.
Why is that?

[leo9]

This it excatly what I do not get: that freedom of speech also means saying it anywhere.
Why is that?

I may be wrong, but all the shots I've seen of the Westborough demos were on the public street, not in any place that could be defined as private property. That was almost certainly part of the judges' consideration.

The much-repeated saying about shouting "Fire" in a crowded theatre acknowledges that the setting makes a difference.

[thir]

I may be wrong, but all the shots I've seen of the Westborough demos were on the public street, not in any place that could be defined as private property. That was almost certainly part of the judges' consideration.

The much-repeated saying about shouting "Fire" in a crowded theatre acknowledges that the setting makes a difference.

Isn't a grave yard private property of the church in US?

[denuseri]

The street running alongside or in front of it however is public domain.

[DuncanONeil]

Isn't a grave yard private property of the church in US?

Could be!