The Human Rights of Child Killers.

[Thorne]

I thought it was you that is always saying that you should not trust statistics, because they are normally out of date before they are published.

I would NEVER have said such a thing!

[IAN 2411]

I would NEVER have said such a thing!

Ok keep your hair on, i said i thought and not that it was you....there is no need to shout either.

Be well IAN 2411

[IAN 2411]

Yes, sometimes criminals really ARE bad people!

As a matter of interest, is there a case you know of where a criminal was not a bad person. I agree that a prisoner might not be a bad person, due to mistaken identity or the like, but a criminal in my book has to have committed a crime so he is bad by guilt.

Be well IAN 2411

[Thorne]

As a matter of interest, is there a case you know of where a criminal was not a bad person. I agree that a prisoner might not be a bad person, due to mistaken identity or the like, but a criminal in my book has to have committed a crime so he is bad by guilt.

Be well IAN 2411

I don't know of any specific cases off hand, but an example I've used in the past would be, for instance, a person who steals food to feed his children. Technically a crime, but a case of desperation in which a (probably) good person feels forced to commit a criminal act.

You also have to define your terms. Is a criminal someone who has committed a crime, or someone who has been convicted of a crime? We know there have been people in prison who were convicted wrongly, and later released. Are they criminals?

And there are cases of people being convicted of breaking unjust laws. In some states in the US a 16 year old boy having consensual sex with his 15 year old girl friend is committing a crime! Does that make him a criminal?

[IAN 2411]

Yes i do agree with you Thorn that there are a few grey areas that need adressing, but at the speed the criminal and justice system works in the UK it will not be in my lifetime.

Be well IAN 2411

[Thorne]

Yes i do agree with you Thorn that there are a few grey areas that need adressing, but at the speed the criminal and justice system works in the UK it will not be in my lifetime.

Be well IAN 2411

LOL! At the speed justice systems work anywhere, I'm not sure there's enough time left in the universe!