conditioning for orgasm on command

[denuseri]

Not at all what I am talking about great Oz, cumming prematurely and cumming from a complete cold start with a command trigger are two whole different animals are they not Sir?

[Ozme52]

Not at all what I am talking about great Oz, cumming prematurely and cumming from a complete cold start with a command trigger are two whole different animals are they not Sir?

Sorry. But what difference does a cold start make? No one, per se, claimed that they could make a woman come from a "cold start". They said they could do it without touching... and if anything, a man is more likely to orgasm untouched than a woman. We're built for a quick reaction. Spread that sperm before something stops you.

Conditioning requires creating a mindset that evokes a sexual response. Nothing "cold" about that.

[phantasy_seeker]

Calling male subs to clarify... anyone? ^^;

[denuseri]

Actually it was mentioned earlier in the thread. Though the thread isnt nessesarally about that alone.

And if there are men who are out there that can do it I would love to hear their stories.

[Sir Robert]

I am really proud of my girl- she got to the point today that she can cum just by my voice. I would like to hear about others who have done this, and share methods.

My method starts with sexualization. I have my sub masturbate every day, in the shower. this goes on for a few weeks. I also say the word (CUM!) every time she cums in front of me, telling her she is a good girl for cumming.

after a few weeks, I then use orgasm restriction to re-inforce the command. after not cumming at all for a day or so, she is allowed to orgasm many times, each time with me saying CUM!

now comes the next stage. I forbid the sub from climaxing when I cannot hear. and each time she cums, I use the word again, reinforcing with praise.

now, when she is excited, i begin to say Cum Before she does. at some point, she will cum from me saying it. then without hands. more praise.

now comes a test. I make her cum when she cannot touch herself (like in the car at a red light, while she is driving) by telling her to.

Another wonderful topic. I have been working towards voice control and will include ideas shared here, thanks....

[oww-that-hurt]

Wow, wouldn't that so cool to be able to train myself to ejaculate by not touching or using any other visual or auditory stimulation... just close my eyes and think about it and ejaculate! Yeah, I know, just another perv... but it does sound fun, though, doesn't it?

[Tomcatdye{qtkitten}]

I've tried this Multiple times with 3 different subs, but it has always been a matter of their level of trust and intimacy, as to how hard and powerfully they could cum in this manner, some things that are key have been associating certain words or actions with their orgasm.

Having the subs focus on my eyes and pay attention to the look i give them at the time of orgasm is a big trigger as well as bringing in specific words that help stimulate them.
On all 3 of the women I've had the pleasure of doing this too i had to start with associating my Hard, watchful gaze with The moment of their orgasm, also using trigger words such as "closer" and "soon" Heightening their senses and making the feelings they associate with their orgasms resurface. Also I've found that having a certain position of vulnerability, Usually on their knees hands clasped behind their head, enhances their feelings of submission to my voice.

With each of these women they told me that these induced orgasms were more potent because it was not only out of their control, but because there was no point of origination, the orgasm came from their entire bodies, not just centering around wherever their focus was.

The main thing has also been trust, the sub has to have an extreme level of trust in you, because They're handing over more than there body, but also their will, to you.

That being said my approach was much the same as Miner and Lisais mine, Invoking certain words and associating them with their orgasm, bringing a certain gaze that will later, when used, cause the same feelings of arousal, that being said i have only had one woman, My kitten, who could have a Coldstart orgasm, no touching at all just locking eyes with me until her arousal was to a point i just whispered "cum" and she exploded. The other 2 never reached that point but once they had reach their first climax they were able to continue climaxing just from me telling them to cum...

Thanks Everyone and those are my experiences with this very satisfying form of Play

Tom

[btvsna]

As I've been reading this, I keep thinking of an episode of "Strange Sex" I saw last summer. On the episode in question, they featured a woman who said she could think herself into orgasm. She even taught a class. Towards the end of the show, they plugged her up to an EKG, stuck her in a CatScan, and ran all kinds of other tests on her, just to see if she really was climaxing with absolutly no stimulation. And she was. Her body behaved the same as if she had grabbed a vibrator and gone to town. It seems to me that the conditioning that everyone has been talking about is just another form of thought orgasm. So, just in case anyone was doubting that it was scientificly possible, there you go.

Also, I remember reading somewhere some time ago that men are able to experience orgasm without ejaculation (and there were quite a few men in this woman's thought orgasm class who agreed). So while a man might not be able to ejaculate on command, I think it could still be possible for him to climax at nothing but the sound of his Domme's voice.

[leanne1]

Ozme, Sir, you are this sub's hero.

[LadyArana]

PS Can you condition/train yourself to orgasm on your own command, anyone? How cool would that be!

Yes, in fact. I have.

[LadyArana]

So, what I think is that the female sub might not have 'biologically orgasmed' - as in, the chemical and biological events following a 'proper orgasm' might not have happened, because scientifically speaking, those can truly only occur with contact to the sexual organ.

I believe you may be mistaken here. It is certainly possible for a woman to release and feel the release of all the same endorphines and hormones through a commanded orgasm as she can through a physically stimulated one. You see, the brain tells the body which endorphines and hormones to release, and for a woman, an orgasm is a very cerebral event. (For MOST women, that is.) So if a dominant, whether male or female is able to get their submissive to orgasm on command simply by way of spoken word, it is because the brain has not only been trained to associate the two together, but it also tells the body to release the same endorphines and hormones. Is it to a lesser extent? That depends on the training, as has been stated here before. One tonal inflection may result in a smaller orgasm while another may result in a full blown, thighs shaking, can't breathe, cathartic release orgasm.

[Ozme52]

Ozme, Sir, you are this sub's hero.

LOL. Thank-you!

[Ozme52]

Yes, in fact. I have.

Lucky Lady Arana!!

...and!!! I think there was just an article about a woman who not only claimed it, proved it in a clinical lab. She had all the sensors and electrodes hooked up and "thunk" up an intense orgasm that was physically equal to those she manually induced at various points in the study.

[LadyArana]

Lucky Lady Arana!!

...and!!! I think there was just an article about a woman who not only claimed it, proved it in a clinical lab. She had all the sensors and electrodes hooked up and "thunk" up an intense orgasm that was physically equal to those she manually induced at various points in the study.

I may just be theorizing here, but I think that it has a lot to do with, like I said earlier, the woman's mental state at the time. Dominant or submissive, I think it's possible for ANY woman to acheive orgasm without physical stimulation.

[ksst]

You know what, I would not have believed it possible until I read Lady Arana's method. I have studied training methods for other purposes, and I have to say, now I see how it would work. They call it putting a behavior under stimulus control, which phrase has nothing to do with sex, but you say it, they do it, and associating the word to the action, not force, is used to accomplish that with any type of behavior.

[Xmaster1]

I love this. I have never gotten so far as being able to make a sub cum solely on command but I have made them cum on command with just inital penetration and a command.

[curiouskiwi]

I would like to point out that it is entirely possible to train yourself to ejaculate/orgasm.

I've done it and I've been doing it for years mainly because I wanted to hide what i was doing from my family and friends. I'd close my eyes and mentally go through a list of things narrating what turned me on. I built up a story in my head that felt real enough that I could ejaculate without touching at all. I can do it in public without getting caught(if its not a big one) without making a single sound.

Now that I have a Master even if our relationship is purely online for now...in the past week we've been having normal conversations and he says "Squirt for me Nichole...right where you are." and no lie I do. From a cold start my Master can make me ejaculate. I'm almost afraid of what it would be like if we were really together...but I want to know. I feel an immesurable joy from knowing my Master can simply type the words and my body reacts instantly.

Yes there is a difference between cold starting, arousal, and stimulation orgasming/ejaculation on command. Cold starting the reaction may not be as strong but it is unmistakably still there. It might not be as much either but I still feel it and I'm aware of how much control Master has over me. When Master commands me when I'm already aroused I'm not gonna lie it's those that are strongest for me. Its those that send me into subspace. Its an odd fact about me that I just don't get overly aroused by touching myself. It feels too much like I'm in control so I dont like it. I LOVE the fact that Master arouses me to the point where if he says cum once it will send me in to chain orgasms(bad I know but I'm trying to work on that). It works the same for ejaculating except I have more control and can follow Masters commands more precisely with that.

[ksst]

I don't know, I welcome those chain orgasms. I call them rock skipping- you know how you can skip a rock on a pond. Each time it touches the water that is the mini- orgasm, and it can go on a long time.

[denuseri]

duplicate post

[Odysseus]

training one to cum on command is doable.

for many, it is impossible for them to grasp the concept.

Just like for example that, women can only orgasm a single time.
Or like how, direct clitoral stimulation is required for orgasm.
Or perhaps that women dont like oral- thats just something they do for Men.


But ONCE you get past all that hype....... *s*


It is indeed doable

-Odyssesus

[sexyslave69]

I too don't think I could "cum" on command with no stimulation.It sounds impossible.

[Odysseus]

smiles....like alot of things... It depends on the right connection. On the right relationship. The way to start is to learn how to cum with no direct physical stimulation. There can be non direct stimulation but NO physical. ie....talking to, looking at... doing things that are arousing -without touching. Getting right to the edge, and then, being required to ask permission .

As impossible as that may sound for some, it IS doable. And can in fact be very intense.

Once that has been accomplished, one can proceed further.


SO what do you think, is that also impossible?

-Odysseus

[Ozme52]

I too don't think I could "cum" on command with no stimulation.It sounds impossible.

I suggest enroling in the Emerald City Institute for Advanced Orgasmic Study.

[sexyslave69]

I just don't see myself doing it with NO physical stimulation, my husband "Master" doesn't make me ask permission to cum though,not sure if that has to be a part of it.

[Odysseus]

chuckles.... welll...the wiz of ahhhhs.. would certainly like you to enroll in His institute. .........smiles,. bottom line however, if your Master is not too worried about it..... then its not something to lose sleep over...


Odysseus

[Miss_Suki]

PS Can you condition/train yourself to orgasm on your own command, anyone? How cool would that be!

Sorry, couldn't help but laugh... :P

[Dog's Lady]

I have trouble reaching orgasm at all, so, so far, coming on command is not happening. My current love has had a higher success rate than any of his predecessors, but, as we are together longer and the honeymoon period ends, making me orgasms takes more work from both of us, and still doesn't always work. I would love to come on command for him, though, not just for the orgasm itself, but because it pleases him so.
I have some ideas for us to try when we are next together, to get the ball rolling again, but I would love to hear ideas from other women who have trouble reaching orgasm, or had trouble and have found solutions. I know that it always gets more difficult for me the longer I am with the same partner, but I am really inspired to find a solution/solutions--as his sub, his vanilla lover, and hopefully, as his top, too. He says that, as a sub, he longs to serve (kind of vague, but I am trying to pin him down more,) and I would love to be able to reward his service with my orgasm, which sometimes, even often, seems more important to him than his own. (And no, ladies, I really don't want to share him. Sorry.)

[ksst]

Well, I used to have trouble orgasming, a long time ago, although once we found a technique that worked and stuck to it I could have one every time. I don't know if I can give any specific tips, since everyone is different. The bondage and domination, though, it really worked for me, and once we started doing a lot of that it became easier and easier to orgasm in all different positions and with much less stimulation, and then finally to have multiple, many, many multiple orgasms. That's when he started the orgasm on command training, and it took only a week or so to get a pretty firm grasp of it. The important thing is for him to know when to give the command- you have to be right on the edge to start with. Then as it gets to be entrenched training you can work backwards, giving the command with less and less warm up. Successful practice (command always followed by orgasm) and avoiding any giving of the command when you are not ready is important.
The high point so far for me, was yesterday I came while Christmas shopping, with only a light touch and word from him. Twice. No one else was around and the clerk had gone in back.

[denuseri]

Well what Ive found at least with the method used on me is:

1) We are not all as unique snowflakes as we like to think we are... IE the conditioning according to my owner and the guy who taught him works on pretty much any woman; at least neither has found one who didn't respond to it with alacrity that didn't have some sort of medical condition or abnormality that precluded it.

2) There is a big difference between being physically/psychologically conditioned to actually cum, stop mid orgasm, and or sustain an orgasm (sometimes for as long as 20-45 minutes) until commanded otherwise involuntarily from a cold start (no preparation required, no setting the submissive up, no warm up etc once conditioned) and what I see most people describing which actually sounds much more voluntary with the submissive having to pyhc themselves up, or think themselves into an orgasm or the dominant having to wait until they are on the edge before giving the command etc.

What Ive been talking about is like going from zero arousal to full blown I cant stand up orgasm immediately upon receiving the trigger/command even if I had no warning nor inclination to cum at all, even when I'm trying specifically not to cum.

3) The process of being conditioned involves lots of high intensity endurance sessions (some up to 6 hours long).

The sessions occur initially every day for a week or so and taper off to twice a week and eventually after a few months down to once a month to keep the desired response in place.

A high level of positional bondage and all the muscle tension pain that accompanies it including riding through several "charlie horses" (muscle cramps) without being allowed to break position can make it a rather arduous task to take up .

Its as much a physical process as a mental one and it doesn't take some special "I feel so safe or am in love with whoever is giving the command BS" for it to work.

It can even be accomplished on a completely unwilling and resistant subject if one knows what they are doing and has the time to devote to the effort.

4)Voluntarily entering into such a conditioning process is not for the faint of hear or the unprepared.

One will experience great physical discomfort and will not wish to continue at several points (especially during those muscle cramps lol).

Additionally one will experience a drastic change in the way one thinks about submission and one will know just how vulnerable one actually is as a submissive.

It can be very very scary experience, one can even find themselves both consiously and unconsciously avoiding one's dominant for a time afterwards for fear of the power he now holds....after all once your fully conditioned he can make one cum just for kicks as his whim suits.

5) Once one is conditioned in this manner one will find a couple side effects that are not all that great...for instance one may find they will have great difficulty achieving orgasm via other means...in my case I eventually got to where I was unable to cum at all without the trigger...unless I went a considerable amount of time (6 months the one time) without receiving the command or any maintenance sessions.

I tried using a recording of his voice when he was deployed giving the command but it only worked once (after the six months...go figure) and only then because I coupled it with the similar positional bondage as was used during the original imprinting of the conditioning as physical reinforcement.

[SweetPain]

Definitely working on this.. I believe it is possible for those completely open to the idea physically and mentally. You have to have that in you.. For people who have never experienced orgasms or only mt clitoris stimulation , I could only imagine how hard it would be to simply imagine going far beyond I have tapped into the world of taking my lady to the point of ogasm, then telling her she better not cum n then giving her the ok to release and she comes harder everytime. Based on her reactions to commands and simply gettinf lost in her submisdive nature and the pain and pleasure filled sex life, I believe it is definitelu possible and will begin training her soon!