Obviously both of you respected fellow contributors (Ian and MMI) are completely sympathetically entwined on the English side of that paticular sticky wicket.

Human nature being the way it is I suspect that there are I am sure an equally large number of people who just as validly hold the opposite point of view and have all the facts to back it up just as you will both claim to have and from your respective perspectives do.

No amount of logic or information provided on my part will change that subjective view point.

Please also note that I didnt say what my own personal views on the issue in question were.

The only point I tried to make was that who is the good guy and who is the bad guy is determined by one's perspective...IE which side if any the observer is on.

So I think my "blinkers" will remain exactly "objectively" where they are.