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Im trying this quote thing one last time, cause damn, it's getting embarassing
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How exactly are they doing this? Nobody is saying women can't work or own property or vote.
No, not yet. The laws they are trying to change, though, could result in women being kept out of the work force by being continuously pregnant. And if you don't thing they would eventually go after their right to vote you're being naive. These are people who secretly admire the Muslim's Sharia Law. They just think those people are talking to the wrong god.

Thomas Beattie (Beatie?)
A transgender man. Born female. And he CHOSE to have children.

I am quite sure you're referring to the sandra fluke/birth control fiasco. nobody is trying to ban birth control; the question is whether or not the gov't should make insurance companies pick up the tab. theres a big difference
Nope, not referring to that at all. That's clearly a case of people like Rush Limbaugh either not knowing what they're talking about or deliberately lying about it.

No, I'm talking about laws restricting access to contraceptives. I'm talking about groups like the Catholic Church which lies about condoms preventing the spread of AIDS. I'm talking about prominent politicians who think that "contraception is 'a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.'"

the maternal mortality rate is .024 percent.
And the UN says that there could be as many as 817,000 such deaths each year! That's a lot of dead mothers.

And once again, if she didn't want kids, she should be on the pill.
Which she might not be able to afford, since her insurance company isn't required to pay for it. And if the theocons have their way she won't even be able to GET birth control pills.

you can't dumpall the blame on the man which is what everyone does all the time. Give both sexes a way of opting out: if a man wants the kid and she doesn't, then the man foots all the bills during a 9 month gestation and takes sole custody; if the man doesn't want it and the girl does, then he gives up all financial responsibilities. that is only fair.
Except you still have the woman bearing the physical, medical burden of being pregnant. Would you be willing to pay her for lost wages while she is confined to her bed for problems with the pregnancy? What about future problems resulting from complications with the pregnancy? Should the father be held responsible for those if he forces her to have the baby? As for the other option, true he shouldn't be solely responsible for the medical bills, but he is responsible for that child. After all, he did play role. And sometimes you have to pay the piper. If you didn't want kids, you shouldn't have slept with her!

and if people think the gov't should pay for womens BC, maybe it should pay for my vasectomy.
I agree. I'd rather the government pay the few dollars needed for those than pay welfare for the huge number of children and mothers in poverty. It would be a bargain! A couple hundred one time for a vasectomy? Or a couple hundred a month for each little bastard you spawn? No contest!