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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiscoman View Post
    I'm pretty sure she just has an index card she pulls random answers off of:

    "You betcha!"
    "Putin!"
    "Moose chili..."
    "Jesus..."
    "Darn tootin'!"
    "Terr'ists!"
    "Socialism!"
    "Death panels!"
    "For Pete's sake!"
    "Snow machines..."
    "Boy howdy!"
    "I quit."

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    Glad she did not have the chance

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    I think we need to keep something in mind. When politicians make slips like Africa is a "nation" not a "continent". It's a gaff. Some of them are little slip ups and some of them are pretty out there. Regardless, politicians usually excuse them on other politicians. It's the people who take these things and run with them as if they've never made a mistake themselves.

    Obama ran a great campaign and McCain didn't there is no way around those facts. Obama, a lawyer, ran a perfectly executed media event. He brought out people who were blind to politics, used to being spoon fed information, and celebrity obsessed and got them to vote.

    No, not everyone who voted for Obama was without merit. Just like not every American can't point out America on a map. I just am not surprised by the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voxelectronica View Post
    I think we need to keep something in mind. When politicians make slips like Africa is a "nation" not a "continent". It's a gaff. Some of them are little slip ups and some of them are pretty out there. Regardless, politicians usually excuse them on other politicians. It's the people who take these things and run with them as if they've never made a mistake themselves.

    Obama ran a great campaign and McCain didn't there is no way around those facts. Obama, a lawyer, ran a perfectly executed media event. He brought out people who were blind to politics, used to being spoon fed information, and celebrity obsessed and got them to vote.

    No, not everyone who voted for Obama was without merit. Just like not every American can't point out America on a map. I just am not surprised by the post.

    The remark about Palin and Africa is by no means her only, MAJOR mistake, she had many verbal mistakes, giving wrong answers to questions, this happenend in her interview with Katie Couric, Brian Willams ect, so the Africa remarks, are simply a continuation her lack of geneneral knowledge about the world,world events,leaders locationsd ect. ect
    she had no idea who some of the world leadrrs where and this is not in reference to 3rd World Nation,s she has a very servere lack of world knowledge which as a VP is critical, you can't call on the headso f states of countries when you do not know who they are, even the Republican Party towards the end of things was critical of her lack of knowledge
    It shouldalso be pointed outthat priior to McCain winnig the Nonmination he did know even know Palin, he knew of her, but between the ttime he won the nomination andselcted her a his VP runnig mate, they only had 2 meetings 1 was for afew hours then second was less then that, so he picked a runnig mate who he knew virtualy nothing bout and even upon decidin to slect her only met 2x with hwer in 6 months fora total of 6 hours, no a good way to slect a runnigmate

    And he even said that when the primaries were windnig down he had "Know of her but had never met her"
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    No body knows all, so to expect that of politicians would be unfair...and I do not, because everyone makes slip-ups.

    But I do expect of them to have the basic grasp of economic fundamentals, to know how to be diplomatic and gracious, to understand that being a bully isnt the same as being tough. I expect them to know that they dont know all and that it is important to surround yourself with people who are good in their fields and take their advice.

    I am disgusted when they mistake political rallies for Sunday service and forget that their job is to guarantee freedom of individual choice and not try to pass fundamentals of ther religion as state law.

    With Sarah Palin I would have settled for her learing what job she is running for. I saw her answer the question of what it is that VP does, what her responsibilities would be and what authority she would have, 5 or 6(!) times in different interviews through out the period of several months. She repeatedly(!) answered wrong, she repeatedly stated that she will "choose" to exercise jurisdiction and authority that are prohibited (for VP) by the Constitution. Now thats SCARY.

    Sarah Palin didnt make slip-ups. She again and again failed to understand the importance of checking facts before making accusations. Or she did it on purpose because the "base" she was trying to suck-up to is notorious for not caring about facts as long as there is someone to blame and shoot at.

    I have to admit though, she had me fooled at first. Based on her public speaches I found her dangerous and zealous person, but I did give her credit for being intelligent and smarter than Bush. Boy, was I wrong! She is Bush in a skirt.

    Its one thing not to know something, and be elegant about getting yourself out of it. Its completely another thing being arrogant about your ignorance or deliberately lying about things everyone knows not to be true because everyone should just trust her...and then when exposed she whined like a little brat about "gotcha" media...very Commander in Chief. Ok, lets be "fair" what questions did she want reporters to ask her...hmmm...because not only was she unable to answer serious questions, she made a fool of herself on silly "human" questions too. She is the one who had cast herself into a "bulldog with lipstick" cartoon, she made a joke out of herself...media simply reported it.

    I mean look at this:
    Sarah Mania!

    You can dislike Obama, you can disagree with his policies, but he has never said something so stupid or allowed himself to be caught in a blatant lie. So many lies.

    This is a silly point perhaps, but nonetheless it is a very good and telling example:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv26Zv__Ca0

    "Men had either been afraid of her, or had thought her so strong that she didn't need their consideration. He hadn't been afraid, and had given her the feeling of constancy she needed. While he, the orphan, found in her many women in one: mother sister lover sibyl friend. When he thought himself crazy she was the one who believed in his visions." - Salman Rushdie, the Satanic Verses

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    True but based on her many interviews, Palin came across as knowing less then basics when asked questions

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    I'm sorry but there were JUST AS MANY gaffs on the other side. I could list them but I don't see the point. It's pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voxelectronica View Post
    I'm sorry but there were JUST AS MANY gaffs on the other side. I could list them but I don't see the point. It's pointless.

    No, please do...because I cant think of any. Yes, there were things the other side has taken out of context and tried to blow out of proportion, but it didnt work with anyone who uses his/hers brain.

    We are not talking politics here, that you can agree or disagree with, but when did Obama come across as an idiot who flunked high school, when did he come across as nervous, desperate, angry, out of control, when was he caught COMPLETELY unprepared about any topic, when was he caught lacking the most fundamental clue about what he is talking about?

    This isnt gaffs we are talking about with Palin, but complete disregard of her duties (I am talking here about the time she had no clue what the "bailout" was) and the lack of MOST BASIC knowledge.

    Reminds me of that time when McCain aid said that we all know that Obama hangs around with terrorists even after it became clear to everyone that Ayers was 1960s radical anti-war activist who is today Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar and that, in any case, Obama does not have a close relationship with Ayers and knows him only slightly. Two separate investigations concluded that.

    So the interviewer asks him to name someone other than Ayers? He says we all know who they are, all the while grinning in that cringe worthy way that bullies do when they are finally called out.
    And that went on for 5-10 minutes with the interviewer reapeatedly asking him to name someone and the McCain aid repeating like an ass that we all know that Obama hangs with terrorists and that we all know who they are, .

    "Men had either been afraid of her, or had thought her so strong that she didn't need their consideration. He hadn't been afraid, and had given her the feeling of constancy she needed. While he, the orphan, found in her many women in one: mother sister lover sibyl friend. When he thought himself crazy she was the one who believed in his visions." - Salman Rushdie, the Satanic Verses

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    Quote Originally Posted by damyanti View Post
    No, please do...because I cant think of any. Yes, there were things the other side has taken out of context and tried to blow out of proportion, but it didnt work with anyone who uses his/hers brain.
    Last May(2007), he claimed that Kansas tornadoes killed a whopping 10,000 people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.
    *Earlier this month(May 2008) in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”
    *Last week(may 2008), in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, South Dakota audience, Obama exulted: “Thank you Sioux City…I said it wrong. I’ve been in Iowa for too long. I’m sorry.”
    *Explaining last week(May 2008) why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
    *Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March(2008), on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Alabama, he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement:
    “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.” Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965.

    Is that enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by voxelectronica View Post
    I'm sorry but there were JUST AS MANY gaffs on the other side. I could list them but I don't see the point. It's pointless.
    ...I'll quote Katt Williams" Go ahead, name them, I'll wait."

    Personally, I can think of two gaffes by the Dems right off. Joe Biden on the "There will be a crisis..." and Obama saying there were 57 states before catching himself. There are certainly others, I just can't recall them as I was much more entertained by the constant stream of late night monologue fodder coming from the right.

    ...and now the turkey pardon video by Palin. Oh, if there's a god he/she won't let Sarah fade way...please, please, please. She is entirely too much fun and continues to marginalize the Republican party even more.

    another idle thought...wonder how long before the Republicans nominate someone that doesn't have that creepy grin/smile that Bush-41, Bush-43, and Sen McCain have? Huckabee(whose politics I abhor) has this great engaging smile and a sense of humor; old 9-11 Rudy has the creepy grin down pretty well; Law and Order Fred can't smile without a rehearsal; Sarah can, her smile is pretty good; Switcheroo Romney is convinced he has the whole package including the smile but he just seems overall really creepy to me.

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    They recently did an interview withBill Ayers, who said he is NOT a friend of Obamam and he knows IObama no better then anyone else
    Why is it that when everyone who mentioned that Obama hung outwith Ayers in the 60's NOBODY mentioned that Obama was all of either 6 or 8 years old, this was missed, but the fact that Obama was with Ayer was repeated over and over
    My biggest issue with the McCain camp was that seemdd to spend mosto f their time critizising Obama for various reason, while Obamam disussed the issues
    And as Obamam said "You attack your oppenenet and do not lay out your plans when you have no plans to lay out"
    Does anyone yet know exactly what McCains plain are or were??

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    All this talk about who made the biggest mistake is rather pointless. It still thrills Dems to attack Bush. Yet in the finale analysis we know that the economy beat McCain and had their been a big bomb dropped on N.Y. Mccain would have won. Also, with Joe B. as V.P. and the mistakes he makes with tongue in ass, Sarah, Agnew, and Barney the Pig look like superior V.P. candidates. Just think what danger the country would be in if the Biden ever became President. Talk about dumb, Biden sets the record. God help us if anything ever happens to Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmrs2 View Post
    All this talk about who made the biggest mistake is rather pointless. It still thrills Dems to attack Bush. Yet in the finale analysis we know that the economy beat McCain and had their been a big bomb dropped on N.Y. Mccain would have won. Also, with Joe B. as V.P. and the mistakes he makes with tongue in ass, Sarah, Agnew, and Barney the Pig look like superior V.P. candidates. Just think what danger the country would be in if the Biden ever became President. Talk about dumb, Biden sets the record. God help us if anything ever happens to Obama.
    More talking points. McCAin ran an AWFUL campaign. He was all over the map. The Sarah Palin pick was a HUGE mistake and his "suspending the campaign" moment was ridiculous. I think he is one of the best the Republicans have and he LOOKED like a terrible leader, letting his handlers hold sway and letting Palin go Rogue.

    And the gaffes from Palin don't bother me as much as her arrogance and inability to see that she needed to KNOW something to be in the public eye like she was. SHe IS Bush Lite.

    Biden would be a MUCH better president than Palin would have made. Maybe not a fact, but certainly an educated prediction.

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    Nobody claimed it was in the 60s

    Quote Originally Posted by mkemse View Post
    They recently did an interview withBill Ayers, who said he is NOT a friend of Obamam and he knows IObama no better then anyone else
    Why is it that when everyone who mentioned that Obama hung outwith Ayers in the 60's NOBODY mentioned that Obama was all of either 6 or 8 years old, this was missed, but the fact that Obama was with Ayer was repeated over and over
    My biggest issue with the McCain camp was that seemdd to spend mosto f their time critizising Obama for various reason, while Obamam disussed the issues
    And as Obamam said "You attack your oppenenet and do not lay out your plans when you have no plans to lay out"
    Does anyone yet know exactly what McCains plain are or were??

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    Who will be the Repbilcan Standard Bearer in 20102?? But will it make any difference dependong on how things go the next 4 years after Jan 20??

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    I had heard somewhere that Palin is the Front runner. As soon as I find that link I will post it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickBulow74 View Post
    I had heard somewhere that Palin is the Front runner. As soon as I find that link I will post it here.
    I heard the same thing also, if that is true the Republicans may have bigger problems then they thought they had
    And Depending on the next 4 years, what happens in 2012 could end up being Academic by then

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    Both sides had their share of stuff, just one side was more pronouced on a regular basis

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    Sarah Mania!

    You can dislike Obama, you can disagree with his policies, but he has never said something so stupid or allowed himself to be caught in a blatant lie. So many lies.


    And what Sarah has to do with Obama?

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    The entire focus of the mainia is to present all kinds of disparaging remarks about Ms Palin.
    I believe that is called fear!


    Quote Originally Posted by Muskan View Post
    Sarah Mania!

    You can dislike Obama, you can disagree with his policies, but he has never said something so stupid or allowed himself to be caught in a blatant lie. So many lies.


    And what Sarah has to do with Obama?

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    In reality Mccaon is a RINO, (Republican In Name Only) Bush's failures killed Mccain and hisslecton of Plin only added insult to injury in the election, Mccain lost by latger thena 2-1 margin, that was a Mandate as was the of year elecrion in 2006 and in a recent poll Palin led all possible Candidates rgw republicans have for 2012 and she only had 29% so the Republicans have no clear curt leadwr right now for 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkemse View Post
    the Republicans have no clear curt leadwr right now for 2012
    Oh for cryin' out loud! I'm still trying to settle my stomach from the endless 2008 campaigning. Which started in 2006, didn't it? PLEASE let's not start talking 2012 already!
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    Oh for cryin' out loud! I'm still trying to settle my stomach from the endless 2008 campaigning. Which started in 2006, didn't it? PLEASE let's not start talking 2012 already!
    it ws just something brought up on meet the press yesterday thats all that the american way start talking 4 years before the fact

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    The 2008 campaign has yet to end!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    Oh for cryin' out loud! I'm still trying to settle my stomach from the endless 2008 campaigning. Which started in 2006, didn't it? PLEASE let's not start talking 2012 already!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post
    The 2008 campaign has yet to end!!!
    Yeah, I noticed! Oh, my aching gut!
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    One can only presume that such is the case because that is the one thing the President knows he is good at, pressuring "the man" to surrender to "the underserved community"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    Yeah, I noticed! Oh, my aching gut!

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    Hehehehehe. Thorne. I agree with you. I will happily leave it alone. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarold View Post
    Hehehehehe. Thorne. I agree with you. I will happily leave it alone. LOL.
    I will go along with that.

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    Even seeing it on English news (why do you guys show your election stuff over here?) I can tell Obama got elected because he had no real opposition. McCain chose to campaign with someone I wouldn't even trust to work in a call centre and there was no way Obama could have lost when some McCain supporters started being overtly racist.

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