Living A Sugarcoated Lifestyle?

[bunkerchief]

Sorry buddy... but perhaps it is you that needs to read the replies. Your post is absolute crap (i was polite previously). To justify sweeping condemnation of all BDSMers because it doesn't suit your tastes is childish. To justify your post as a deliberate controversy rather than taking responsibility for your ill-conceived opinions is a weak cop out.

You contradict yourself and have failed to answer a single question raised by any that responded to you. Sorry, but you really have demonstrated you have no clue about D/s.

This board is friendly and polite - I accept I have overstepped the mark, but it is important to me that new subbies that are here to learn don't think your version of abuse is an acceptable norm.

Brosco

Sorry buddy but your reading and thinking are shoddy. I did not condemn BDSMers or if I did, point out where.

The OP made by someone I know very very well, though I haven't seen her around for awhile and to which I was answering and even if I didn't know her it is irrelevent, SHE is obviously aware of the internal contradictions of consensual BDSM or SHE wouldn't have made the post.

YOU really ought to think. If this site is a slap your friend on the back site, perhaps you should say that in the forum rules.

I have insulted no one until now because you are not worth the effort to insult.

[Brosco]

I have insulted no one until now because you are not worth the effort to insult.

LOL... well done... an insult that can be denied.... now be a good little Dom... if you want to insult me, simply email me directly at:
tau@grapevine.com.au


but please keep your crap off this forum, your lack of knowledge is very damaging to newbies

Brosco

[bunkerchief]

but please keep your crap of this forum, your lack of knowledge is very damaging to newbies

Brosco

Aah so you are grooming the newbies and worried that I would upset that grooming. If they are really into BDSM then grooming is not required and exposure to a little hard edged thinking should be a welcome plus to their education.

[VixeyandPhoenix]

Let differing views create confusion in all. I like to tie Vixey up and spank her ass from time to time. I have no desire to rape her or do anything against her will. I must be a faker. She too must be fake as she does not go out looking for someone to take advantage of her.

There are verying degrees in all things in this world. Every sunset does not look the same, so does that mean that orange sunsets are not as real as red ones? Let people live their lives and do not try to label them, that is for highschool when you were a jock, stoner or geek.

Forgive me for redundancy but, any relationship is a partnership. There is equal power held by both partners in BDSM. The sub gives her submission, the dom takes it and wields his power with respect. Judging from what I have seen and heard in this world you can find a partner willing to do just about anything. If you want a girl that will go as far as you want to then keep searching. Everyone loves their own brand, so don't call it ersatz, it is just their style of play.

In BC's defense, he used a euphemism. Leave him alone about refering to it as the scene of the crime. I myself would put it in such a dramatic way, I can see it as an obvious bit of word play.

[Brosco]

smiles BC, you have no clue. You see, you posted originally with your 'One-true-way' and now have avoided all that questioned it. You have no answers... just selfrighteous crap.

I notice also that having given you my email addie, you have a need to post here. Is that ego? You think you will 'win'???

Please... if you want to continue posting here.. at least answer the questions asked of you.. you may salvage a little credibility

Brosco

[bunkerchief]

I've got nothing to answer, if my refering to what Vixeyandphoenix pointed out 'returning to the scene of the crime' that was merely an expression that perhaps was sloppy in the circumstances and could be misinterpreted as literally scene of the crime.

My email is axelsteijger@hotmail.com

As for you refering to my self righteous crap, that is normal mud slinging by someone who has no counter argument in a discussion or debate and is more a political defence.

[Brosco]

I've got nothing to answer, if my refering to what Vixeyandphoenix pointed out 'returning to the scene of the crime' that was merely an expression that perhaps was sloppy in the circumstances and could be misinterpreted as literally scene of the crime.

My email is axelsteijger@hotmail.com

As for you refering to my self righteous crap, that is normal mud slinging by someone who has no counter argument in a discussion or debate and is more a political defence.

Go for it kid... several ppl responded to you and asked you questions... but you ignored them all.

lets see... a few asked...
what is the 'real thing' to you?
i asked about consent with your ex

there was many more questions... but you fail dismally

Brosco

[bunkerchief]

Go for it kid... several ppl responded to you and asked you questions... but you ignored them all.

lets see... a few asked...
what is the 'real thing' to you?
i asked about consent with your ex

there was many more questions... but you fail dismally

Brosco

The real thing is actual incarceration, beating or whatever, which as we all know is illegal. The fact I said BDSM is not the real thing does not mean or imply I believe in the real thing. Your shoddy thinking and prejudice against my post led you jump to that conclusion.

[submissivewife]

Fantasies are just that fantasies. Real life is real life. One must separate the two or you break the law or worse the person.

What it sounds like bunkercheif is that your having a hard time separating fantasy from real life. One that would rather have an unwilling person than one that is consensual needs some real help and and isn't practicing bdsm as I see it.

[Brosco]

There is a very big difference between reality and fantasy. many people have fantasies that are way to extreme for them to endure in reality.

To me scenes cannot fail because of a fantisy, unless you are into roleplaying (and thus, ongoing fantasy) - scenes fail purely because of a desired mindset - and that is far different to fantasy

Brosco

[bunkerchief]

To me scenes cannot fail because of a fantisy, unless you are into roleplaying (and thus, ongoing fantasy) - scenes fail purely because of a desired mindset - and that is far different to fantasy

Brosco

In the present circumstances it is better that I don't refute you as I will be misinterpreted.

[Brosco]

In the present circumstances it is better that I don't refute you as I will be misinterpreted.

OMG ... really??? ppl here have misinterpreted you while you read and understood clearly all that others said and asked? That must be terrible for you. I know I hate when people twist and distort what I say.. I hate when my questions are ignored... so I understand exactly what you mean.

I do take offence though, for you to accuse me of misinterpreting before I even see what you have to say. Again, you state opinion as fact,,, and that has been the whole problem here with you.

Brosco

[bunkerchief]

OMG ... really??? ppl here have misinterpreted you while you read and understood clearly all that others said and asked? That must be terrible for you. I know I hate when people twist and distort what I say.. I hate when my questions are ignored... so I understand exactly what you mean.

I do take offence though, for you to accuse me of misinterpreting before I even see what you have to say. Again, you state opinion as fact,,, and that has been the whole problem here with you.

Brosco

I am not answering because if you noticed Aesop warned me about insults and since you are openly baiting me to insult you, I am not going to rise to your provocation.

Take that as you will.

[Brosco]

How can I bait you to insult me??? sheeezzz am I a masochist?

Look... this is a great forum and it doesn't need conflicts to bring it down. You have my email addie if you feel the need to attack... but this forum is to share info that we have gathered during our life's adventures. My experiences are very real to me. They mean nothing to others, but they aren't false. No one can ever take away or minimise some wonderful moments in my life.

If your experiences were "false' in your mindset, I am sorry... because mine are very real and lasting

Brosco

[bunkerchief]

If your experiences were "false' in your mindset, I am sorry... because mine are very real and lasting

Brosco

You obviously missed the whole point I was making because you are so intent on taking things personal instead of considering the point on an intellectual level.

Enough said.

[Brosco]

I thought you disagreed with people over intellectualisng things!!!

Now please get it right

[bunkerchief]

There is a difference between considering something on an intellectual level and OVER intellectualising, just as there is a difference between considering something on an intellectual level and taking something personal on a purely emotional level.

[Brosco]

Look... I truly dont want to give you a tuff time, but your own words are hard to ignore:
"BDSM is an ersatz experience so yes, it is sugarcoated. Take out SSC and consent and you have the real thing but you are less likely to get the real thing in the life style than outside it"

Now come on - you may express your own life like that, but seriously, can you classify all others in this category? My life certainly is not!

Brosco

[bunkerchief]

Earlier you said that this site was for sharing experiences, you have been a member since early March and made 37 posts, a third of those posts you have made today and have been directed at insulting, trying to insult or baiting me.

I wrote "BDSM is an ersatz experience so yes, it is sugarcoated. Take out SSC and consent and you have the real thing but you are less likely to get the real thing in the life style than outside it"

What is there to explain about that statement, it is self evident what it means and taken alone this statement is out of context because it implies criminal acts. If you read everything I wrote you will see the context in which it was made, plus a little defining with my excahnges with Aesop. As I have pointed out BDSMers are more aware of what they are doing and SSC and consent become self censoring boundaries. It makes little difference to my point, BDSM is sugarcoated, which was the whole point of the OP as far as I could tell and knowing the person who wrote the OP well I knew exactly where she was coming from.

Oh. And if the opening poster was around I would ask her permission to reveal how well I do know her to prove to you I know exactly where she was coming from!

[Brosco]

Earlier you said that this site was for sharing experiences, you have been a member since early March and made 37 posts, a third of those posts you have made today and have been directed at insulting, trying to insult or baiting me.

If disagreeing with you is an insult or baiting you, your statistics are probably correct, but to me, having an opposing opinion is not an attack and any (intended) insults from me were in response to yours. Even then, a forum such as this is no place for personal attacks and I have apologised for my part in the exchange. I see you still remain selfrighteous.

I wrote "BDSM is an ersatz experience so yes, it is sugarcoated. Take out SSC and consent and you have the real thing but you are less likely to get the real thing in the life style than outside it"

What is there to explain about that statement, it is self evident what it means and taken alone this statement is out of context because it implies criminal acts. If you read everything I wrote you will see the context in which it was made, plus a little defining with my excahnges with Aesop. As I have pointed out BDSMers are more aware of what they are doing and SSC and consent become self censoring boundaries. It makes little difference to my point, BDSM is sugarcoated, which was the whole point of the OP as far as I could tell and knowing the person who wrote the OP well I knew exactly where she was coming from.

Well, I hope you appreciate that while you stated your opinion as fact, it is still just an opinion. As I have stated elsewhere, to me and many others, your opinion is not representative of those you claim to speak for. It is not fact, just your opinion that seems to be coming from a lack of understanding about the lifestyle.

Oh. And if the opening poster was around I would ask her permission to reveal how well I do know her to prove to you I know exactly where she was coming from!

I am not sure that this would prove anything at all, but if it makes you happy, please pursue this line. The topic has been posted for general discussion and has been responded to as such. On a forum with thousands of members, the original motivation and experiences of the poster becomes irrelevent, it is purely the topic that is being discussed.

As I have stated previously, I completely disagree with your opinion and have not found the L/s to be sugarcoated at all. I will not bore those that are capable of reading by restating the reasons for disagreement.

Brosco

[bunkerchief]

Whatever. I've got more interesting walls to hit my head against.

Your far too sensitive for me.

[Aesop]

This thread is now closed. If there are any questions pm me.