The Morality of Abortion!

[awakening2]

May be the reason for calling it immoral by some is that for a long time, making love has remain a noble act allowed or approved by societies for only those who got married to pronounce that they are ready to take responsibilities. Making love was like making a pledge to their own love, add meaning to it, and give new focus to their life and to be part of the nature to continue its journey.

Now life has changed, marriage is a burden for many, making love is little bit of love, more of fun, little bit of lust, and yes, sure a physical requirement (or may be an exercise!) for many! The fun and enjoyment is part of fun lovers (life is today so live it today, who has seen tomorrow!) and not much to do with taking responsibilities – plan, and if required, sacrifice today for a better future. Many factions of societies appreciate fun lovers and to help ease them from troubles, corporate sector such as pharmaceutical and other protective gear manufacturers have step forward. Amazingly still fun lovers are fun lovers, how can you control them, they are not meant to be….

Now come those who are forced into it, well I only hope that the societies get matured to a level where:
a) They collectively take the responsibilities of such born,
b) Inflict a punishment on the wrong doers (the man) to ensure he is unable to repeat the act again, even if the opportunity is generated by him again
c) Treat victim as the noble one, and prize those who strive to win the hearts of them...

Oh…it is turning into a serious lecture...no fun in it...and I am not that serious, but then it is difficult to have fun...for a society is wounded...in most of the cases the soul of the very woman who is the source of nurturing life is shredded, and the death of an unborn one, on who's soul and body (called fetus by some) we are reasoning to triumph. For me it is a lose-lose situation...no gain...no smiles...

Some one whispered - if you feel, it’s a death of a human society, if you don’t it’s just a ‘tumour’ remove it and dump it away!

[thedominthehat]

My own personal philosophy is that as a society we can decide the relative moral or ethical value of certain decisions. We can weigh the interests of the state, the mother, the father, the sperm/egg/zygote/fetus/infant and decide where the line can be best drawn.


I believe that the moral wrong created by giving the state control over a woman's body to interfere in this most personal and private decision complicated by all manners of individual circumstance produces a greater immorality than the elimination of a potential human life in utero.

I think that for the most part, Roe v Wade established a fair system where the further developed the potential human is, the more rights they have. At conception and for some weeks after they are merely a clump of cells and therefore the mother should have an absolute right to terminate the pregnancy. In the second trimester, the state has some interest in regulating the practice but its role should be to encourage women to make their decisions as early as possible in the pregnancy. In the third trimester during which the fetus becomes viable, the state may rightly weigh rights of the child to live as being superior to the mother's inconvenient circumstances, but in cases of emergency the life of the mother is more important.

Religious positions on abortion differ. While some religious groups believe life begins at conception and abortion is always wrong, even going so far as to proscribe birth control because they believe, mostly wrongly, that it kills fertilized eggs, other groups specifically require that the life and health of the woman be considered as superior to the life of the child even to the point of its birth.

[Arria]

I once read the Aborigines do not consider abortion a sin.

They believe bringing a child into the world that is not wanted, and will not be loved, is a sin.

I pretty much go with that.

And I think it ridiculous that men have a say in the matter.
I do not mean the potential father, who may feel a bond with the unborn.

I mean complete strangers who will never have a child in their bodies and will never be faced with a situation that makes you choose between having a kid and having the life and the chances you might have had without a kid.

I am not talking about some fanciful shit like "but I want to be an actress" etc.

I am talking about situations like mine - I decided to keep my baby and NOT marry the father, which made me WHAM from being a hopeful student into a person having to turn to the welfare authorities to finance my life!
It did not go over well with me, it was very hard, and if I had known HOW hard it would be, I would probably never have gone through with it!

However, I was lucky enough to get an apprenticeship, and finalize it successfully, and with my first "real" job after the apprenticeship time, I was off welfare again and have paid for my own stuff since.

Only after I had managed that - to become financially independent again -, I entered a relationship again.

The last thing on Earth I would have wanted was some asshole guy who would rub in at every given opportunity, "if I had not taken you, you would be still on welfare", etc.

Sometimes I think this world would be a better place if some people just managed to mind their own fucking business!

[Thorne]

Sometimes I think this world would be a better place if some people just managed to mind their own fucking business!

LOL! I agree wholeheartedly, but it wouldn't be THIS world!

[MMI]

On balance, I'm against abortion. It's a gut feeling and I cannot justify it rationally. I do accept there are circumstances where it should be permitted, and I think these must be related to saving the life of mother or foetus.

I have a question, however. It seems to be universally accepted that, if the mother's life is in danger, the foetus may be aborted to save her. Why? Isn't the unborn baby's right to life as good as, if not better than, the mother's?

[thedominthehat]

MMI:

Until modern times, an infant with a dead mother would be unlikely to survive anyways. In addition she may have other young children that would be put at risk, if she died in favor of the life of the infant. Also many children died young so putting the life of a healthy adult woman who might have opportunities to have more children later is not a good choice in the calculus of survival.

Some religions actually require that the pregnancy be terminated to save the life of the mother. They do not say it is ok to abort to save the mother as an exception to the normal prohibition, they say it is required. There is no choice, the mothers life is more valuable until the child is born.

[Belgarold]

I once read the Aborigines do not consider abortion a sin.

They believe bringing a child into the world that is not wanted, and will not be loved, is a sin.

I pretty much go with that.

And I think it ridiculous that men have a say in the matter.
I do not mean the potential father, who may feel a bond with the unborn.

I mean complete strangers who will never have a child in their bodies and will never be faced with a situation that makes you choose between having a kid and having the life and the chances you might have had without a kid.

I am not talking about some fanciful shit like "but I want to be an actress" etc.

I am talking about situations like mine - I decided to keep my baby and NOT marry the father, which made me WHAM from being a hopeful student into a person having to turn to the welfare authorities to finance my life!
It did not go over well with me, it was very hard, and if I had known HOW hard it would be, I would probably never have gone through with it!

However, I was lucky enough to get an apprenticeship, and finalize it successfully, and with my first "real" job after the apprenticeship time, I was off welfare again and have paid for my own stuff since.

Only after I had managed that - to become financially independent again -, I entered a relationship again.

The last thing on Earth I would have wanted was some asshole guy who would rub in at every given opportunity, "if I had not taken you, you would be still on welfare", etc.

Sometimes I think this world would be a better place if some people just managed to mind their own fucking business!

Good words Arria. I think that is my problem with Religious Right's position. The judgment that comes down. With two issues especially, Abortion and Gay rights, the judgment and superiority make me angry.

For example, I don't believe anybody is FOR abortion. It is difficult on the mother and the fetus. And I do not fault them on their position.

What I fault them on is judging the people, like me, that feel the choice remains with the mother. Calling them murderers and being self-righteous about their position.

We are also called PRO-abortion. No, we are pro-choice. I do not fault the position but the arrogance and self-righteousness bugs hell out of me, lol.

I do not know if anhy of this makes sense.

However, the last paragraph of Arria's post says it perfectly. The world WOULD be a better place if people would mind their own business and stop trying to force everyone to believe as they do.

[mkemse]

i cannot believe this is a thread


i wont comment for fear of getting banned


*smh*

Why not, Freedom Of Speach and Fredom Of Expression, one may not like some of the views expressed here, but if you are an American, Americans have the Public right to express their feelings and opinoins

[wmrs2]

My thoughts on abortion are simple. It pleases me that my mother did not abort me. To me, one who loves life, it would have been an immortal sin. By God's grace, I live. "Thou shall not kill." I might be selfish but I like that statement. It bothers me that I don't want to apply that to Adolph Hitler's mother though. Of course we did not know who she was giving birth to, did we? Morality of abortion is a difficult question. If you don't want babies, don't have sex is your best option.

[mkemse]

My thoughts on abortion are simple. It pleases me that my mother did not abort me. To me, one who loves life, it would have been an immortal sin. By God's grace, I live. "Thou shall not kill." I might be selfish but I like that statement. It bothers me that I don't want to apply that to Adolph Hitler's mother though. Of course we did not know who she was giving birth to, did we? Morality of abortion is a difficult question. If you don't want babies, don't have sex is your best option.

I Partial agree, but on the Shall Not Kill, what about going to War and killing people, yes killingf is part of going to war but killing is killing, be it abortion or war, you are still taking an innocent life, i realize that killing in War is needed to defeat the enemy, but it is still killing
As far as sex goes,what happens if the pregnancy was caused by either incest or rape at knife or gun point, hard to prevent that how do you blame the female then??