Why Nobama

[mkemse]

sorry for hijacking the thread

enoy the test of the posts

[denuseri]

There is going to be a test of the posts?

Seriously:

Assuming the above about a test is not a typo. Like a poll? That might actually be funny I think.

I do enjoy debating with you mkemse despite our differences of opinion on different issues and would like to thank you and everyone else that has participated.

[mkemse]

no proble, will do more a bit later

[denuseri]

Quote:
Originally Posted by gothichippiechick
"Why Nobama?" WHY are we still talking about this? He's our president now. Bush had his term now Obama has his. No point in debating that now- he hasn't even been here a month yet for crying out loud.

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Originally posted in response to gothichippiechick by mkemse
"That is what I have been trying to say..."



Complaining about this thread still being alive is kinda funny mkemse, I would have stopped participating in it back on post 194 back on ellection day, I asumed it was an obvious stopping point.

But: as you can see if you look back that is You mkemse decided to keep posting, You decided to keep debating and keep the thread alive, lol

Which is just fine with me as there are serious conserns over these issues.

Also as for election results yet again, I fail to see how 52% is a "Large" margin of victory by any stretch of the word.

And I will say again, allmost half of the people in the United States have yet again been dis-enfranchised by a narrow margin of the popular vote.

I also agree that Hillary Clinton alltough much more qualified than Obama for the office of President is not a good choice for Sec. of State and it is really just further proof that Obama is just trying to secure "POWER" and render his political enemies like Bieden and Clinton into submissive positions that they can be obscured out of condition.

Next we will see Obama pull another "Kennedy" and appoint a family member to a high post like attornry general or something.

[Matin]

bobby kennedy was a way better guy than his brother... should've been a president. a genuine idealist, not like jack.

lol has obama got a great younger brother?

the one thing i will say about him, tho, is that his ability to get my generation out and voting seems, to me, unprecedented in my lifetime.

so many inspired kids... man can you imagine the havoc if he fails us?

here's to political serenity *crossed fingers and a stiff drink*

[DesertDom]

bobby kennedy was a way better guy than his brother... should've been a president. a genuine idealist, not like jack.

lol has obama got a great younger brother?

the one thing i will say about him, tho, is that his ability to get my generation out and voting seems, to me, unprecedented in my lifetime.

so many inspired kids... man can you imagine the havoc if he fails us?

here's to political serenity *crossed fingers and a stiff drink*

Matin,

whats scares me about this past election: in 1992, Clinton campaigned on a platform of 'change' and the young ( at that time) mobilized for him. We all are now aware about how nothing really changed during his administration. Sometime a platform of 'change' is nothing more than a campaign strategy that is used to excite naive voters.

I have my opinion on how this administration is going to play out, but am willing to wait and see what happens over the next year.

[mkemse]

Matin,

whats scares me about this past election: in 1992, Clinton campaigned on a platform of 'change' and the young ( at that time) mobilized for him. We all are now aware about how nothing really changed during his administration. Sometime a platform of 'change' is nothing more than a campaign strategy that is used to excite naive voters.

I have my opinion on how this administration is going to play out, but am willing to wait and see what happens over the next year.

Thanks, let's all just give Obama a chance,remember alot has happenend since the campaign, yes he dropped his call for a Windfall Profits Tax on Oil Companies, but Oil is now $45.00 when he called for it, it was $145.00 a Barrel many changed havetaken place since the campaign and he may need to change some of his plages because of this

If you see a neighbor buliding a house, let's not critisize what i looks like basedo n a "Blue PrinT' but rather on the Finished Project
Give Obama a chance to prove who he is, what he WILL DO ect
he won't be in officefor another 50+ days so nobody has anyidea what will or will not happen, and eveh he said as situations change so will his plans

[Matin]

Matin,

whats scares me about this past election: in 1992, Clinton campaigned on a platform of 'change' and the young ( at that time) mobilized for him. We all are now aware about how nothing really changed during his administration. Sometime a platform of 'change' is nothing more than a campaign strategy that is used to excite naive voters.

I have my opinion on how this administration is going to play out, but am willing to wait and see what happens over the next year.

i remember - vaguely - the clinton elections. they had nothing on the obama campaign.

he is the first candidate in recent history to effectively use a grass roots strategy to win.

its hard to explain but in the colleges and the coffee shops and malls it was just hard to not see someone young talking about it. and i swear these were all people who couldn't have previously been considered disenfranchised, because they'd never been so to begin with!

i'm nervous because hope is such a fragile thing.

sometimes hope and change are used to play on naive people. sometimes it's nice to try to believe in something.

senator mccain said something i very tremendously impressed by during the concession speech, about how we need to try to be together in this thing.

i think america is in too much shit for partisan politics. i want to try to let that go for a while. can anybody deny that we spend too much of our time and energy on this issue?

[denuseri]

PULLEEZE...............

When you see a nieghbor building a house and from the blueprints alone realize that the very foundation is all meesed up and his house if built is going to ruin the neighborhoods water and power supply not to mention allow the whole kit and caboodle go to pot do you still let him build it without saying a word?

Bobby Kennedy great?? PFFFFFT and allmost spits up my coffee, he was marginally less incompetent than his brother the president at the time mabye (and thats a big mabey).

Thank god Obama doesnt have a bunch of family member to inundate the white house cabinet with.

Next thing he will be putting his wife in charge of Health care reform and claim thats she is experienced and ready to handle it too.

Oh wait some other actually impeached President allready did that one.

[mkemse]

PULLEEZE...............

When you see a nieghbor building a house and from the blueprints alone realize that the very foundation is all meesed up and his house if built is going to ruin the neighborhoods water and power supply not to mention allow the whole kit and caboodle go to pot do you still let him build it without saying a word?

Bobby Kennedy great?? PFFFFFT and allmost spits up my coffee, he was marginally less incompetent than his brother the president at the time mabye (and thats a big mabey).

Thank god Obama doesnt have a bunch of family member to inundate the white house cabinet with.

Next thing he will be putting his wife in charge of Health care reform and claim thats she is experienced and ready to handle it too.

Oh wait some other actually impeached President allready did that one.

No i was talking about what the house itself would look like


why can't everyone simply give the guy a chance, he isn't even in office for another 50 some odd days

[denuseri]

He has his chance, four years of chance ahead of him unless he has a majior illegal screw up and even then as Clinton proved it is all too easy to weasel ones way out of it.

The reality of that is in no way shape or form reduced becuase conserned individuals exsercise thier 1st amendment rights to express an opinion on how successfl that chance may be.

Drawing such an analogy betwen housebuilding and political endeavors would be great if political masiations at all resembled construction. Far better that they were so organized. And yes for anyone experienced in such things one can tell exactly how a house will look from its bluprints.

However what is actually going to result from the blueprints of a house is much more easy to predict than the precarious and often volatile whims of statecraft. But it doesnt mean that one is totally blind when ascertaining the hand writing on the wall.

In fact every single leader has had his detractors and they begin challenging his authority from the get go, look at the Bush and Gore election if you need a recent example.

So is it a crime to speculate on such matters?

I think not.

[mkemse]

He has his chance, four years of chance ahead of him unless he has a majior illegal screw up and even then as Clinton proved it is all too easy to weasel ones way out of it.

The reality of that is in no way shape or form reduced becuase conserned individuals exsercise thier 1st amendment rights to express an opinion on how successfl that chance may be.

Drawing such an analogy betwen housebuilding and political endeavors would be great if political masiations at all resembled construction. Far better that they were so organized. And yes for anyone experienced in such things one can tell exactly how a house will look from its bluprints.

However what is actually going to result from the blueprints of a house is much more easy to predict than the precarious and often volatile whims of statecraft. But it doesnt mean that one is totally blind when ascertaining the hand writing on the wall.

In fact every single leader has had his detractors and they begin challenging his authority from the get go, look at the Bush and Gore election if you need a recent example.

So is it a crime to speculate on such matters?

I think not.

Nope not at all and thanks for your posts

where is Ron Paul when you need him??

[denuseri]

(oooo sic a grammer nazi how wonderful) Thanks so much for resorting to that tactic I think I just might cry. Smh.

I will take your advice and go talk to one of the economics teachers to see if cross disiplinary studies match. Alltough based on our conversation here something tells me they do not.

As for political bias in the education system we might need a seperate thread.

Every single one of the history teachers in our department (out side of one lonely soul that cant rear his head lest it be chopped off) is a loudly self proffessed liberal.

I also have found with the execption of perhaps the math department (mainly becuase I dont hang with them) the vast majority of the teachers seem to have political axes to grind which they do with verve every chance they get?

In fact:

What the F does the war in Iraq have to do with "Latin" or public speaking or anatomy and physiology class?

Well if your opinion differs too much from the teachers its the difference between an A and sometimes an F thats what.

Guess they missed the ethical boat when they went through the peering system known as college.

Why do I even address it?

Well in my opinion it is one of the majior factors used to influence the younger voters and a grand political ploy that the other side (conservatives) have been losing for decades.

The educational peering system is also in part a liberal indoctronation proccess.

Not that some conservatives don't manage to slip through.

To bad most of the students blindly come out of it spouting dogma like so many medevil sicophants from the churches of old that they were taught to hate in there.

This is somthing I am sure did not go without notice by Obama as he experienced the proccess first hand.

I will give you that Obama is indeed a "politician" to the core.

Bold leader of change that he prophesied in his bid for office, I think not.

After all the only reason we are still having this discussion after the election is becuase some people (as previously stated in an earlier post) wanted it to continue for reasons beyond my comprehension.

I believe however so long as people wish to keep participating in this thread that I will continue to characterise in response all I want despite any derogatory comments made or infered about me.

Thank You.