conditioning for orgasm on command

[ksst]

4)Voluntarily entering into such a conditioning process is not for the faint of hear or the unprepared.

One will experience great physical discomfort and will not wish to continue at several points (especially during those muscle cramps lol).

Additionally one will experience a drastic change in the way one thinks about submission and one will know just how vulnerable one actually is as a submissive.

It can be very very scary experience, one can even find themselves both consiously and unconsciously avoiding one's dominant for a time afterwards for fear of the power he now holds....after all once your fully conditioned he can make one cum just for kicks as his whim suits.

5) Once one is conditioned in this manner one will find a couple side effects that are not all that great...for instance one may find they will have great difficulty achieving orgasm via other means...in my case I eventually got to where I was unable to cum at all without the trigger...unless I went a considerable amount of time (6 months the one time) without receiving the command or any maintenance sessions.

I just wanted to repeat this points, and add from my personal experience that yes, prolonged orgasms can go from extreme pleasure to pain and soreness, and you may beg to stop but your Dom wants to keep going and he has the power to make you keep going. But still, it's something I would not give up for anything. One more thing, after a while you build up endurance and don't get so sore

And the total surrender of having your pleasure so controlled and on demand is an amazing thing. I don't recall being scared so much as over- awed, as if by some sort of magic, although I know it is not magic.

As far as the avoiding, yes, even though I did not want to, I found myself at times turning my back or avoiding looking at him so I could avoid the command, and no, he won't let me do that, so I end up giving in whether I wanted to cum or not at that particular time, whether it would be inconvenient to have soaked myself and clothes at that time or not.

And to the last point, not being able to cum without the cue, I'd agree with that as well, and for me it was good to hear it up front as a possible side effect to try to get work-arounds in place from the very beginning. My Master did not want to prevent me from cumming on my own, which would have been the easier thing to do after training. After I failed at bringing myself off when he wasn't around but had given me permission, I had to get a new toy, and then picture him in my mind giving the command when I wanted to cum.

[denuseri]

The pain I was referring too had nothing to do with cumming too often or for too long altough that also can start to get sore after a while lol.

[ksst]

What pain were you talking about, and what was the cause?
The too much/too long is the only kind I have experienced.

[Ozme52]

From an observational perspective, as one who has been relentless, I think that at the point of exhaustion, one might be "in pain" the way a runner experiences pain. Muscles hurt when they're overused. But the pleasure center will only remember the orgasms later.

[denuseri]

As in my previous post the specific pain (if one read it) I was refering too was the muscle cramps one gets in the legs mainly the backs of the thighs from being in the conditioning position...not from having orgasms.

Though after orgasms that were sustained long enough and after a series of orgasms one can feel a different kind of soreness.

[ksst]

I misunderstood the part where there was a particular conditioning position for you.

[Ozme52]

I misunderstood the part where there was a particular conditioning position for you.

Heheh, I'm not sure exactly which ones denu's master uses, but I use five. Handy both for contemplation, conditioning (borh physical and mental) and for self presentation and use.

The orgasms just follow from there.

[Dog's Lady]

I'm going to ignore Oz's wicked chuckle and skip right to my question: have you seen this work in someone who has trouble reaching orgasm at all? Can you end run that somehow, or do you need to deal with that problem first?

[denuseri]

I misunderstood the part where there was a particular conditioning position for you.

There are more than one and they were essential for the physical reinforcement segment of the process and put a certain degree of required muscle tension into the equation. They are not however necessary to achieve an orgasm on command once the conditioning has been achieved.

[ksst]

Can you go into more detail on that? I guess I'm really not understanding. Or is there a link that describes this? I guess we did it without the positions, but I'm still interested in how that works. I don't know if my Master is though. I think I mentioned it (positions) to him once and his response was summed up as "eh".

[denuseri]

Well when you cum on command do you do anything to cum? Momentarally squeezing one's legs together? Thinking ok now Im going to will myself to cum becuase I was told too? Flexing the the muscle down there on purpose? etc?

Thats ussually the kind of cumming on command I hear about from most people who have used purely phycological conditioning.

I don't, its a physical responce to the command word becuase in additon to the phycological aspect it was physically reinforced. It happens wether I wish it to or not and it happens imediately with zero warm up or warning.

The main position used for me is similar to kneeling only in a kind of stand (traditionally made out of bamboo) the looks kinda like this \ / when looking down on it from directly over it. It keeps me up off the floor with my wieght suspended on each underside of rather widely spread thighs while the ankles are pulled back apart and under. It's wlmost like trying to stradle to balance beams or two sawhorses at once. The body and legs are secured ussually with rope with the upper body in a common hojojutsu arm box tie (hands to opposite elbows behind the back) with an aditional wrapping to make breathing more labored. The legs are positioned and tied in such a way as to make moving the knees closer together impossible (seperated by the beams one is suspended upon) and the ankles are pulled up with rope from behind and secured to the back of the arm box tie (making bending forward to alleviate some of the pressure on the thighs also impossible) This is what cuases the muscle cramps after a sort period of time for most especially in the begining.

[Ozme52]

I'm going to ignore Oz's wicked chuckle and skip right to my question: have you seen this work in someone who has trouble reaching orgasm at all? Can you end run that somehow, or do you need to deal with that problem first?

Yes, and often... but I have now also seen it fail, so I can no longer claim a perfect record.

[Ozme52]

Can you go into more detail on that? I guess I'm really not understanding. Or is there a link that describes this? I guess we did it without the positions, but I'm still interested in how that works. I don't know if my Master is though. I think I mentioned it (positions) to him once and his response was summed up as "eh".

There are several older threads about, that if you can dig them up (llok for my posts with the word "position" in them) you can show to your master which he might see the reason for doing them. heheh. He may be using one or two not even realizing what calling them "positions" will do to your submissive psyche. Just imagine him calling out "Position Three" and you'll not know if he's going to admire you, thrash you, or fuck you (nor where.) But you'll be wet before you finish grasping your ankles.

[ksst]

Position three, otherwise known as "grab your ankles", variant of "hands on the floor"?

[Ozme52]

Nope. It's shoulders and knees on the floor (or table or bed) hands between your legs grasping your ankles. weg

Now that you have Three and One (elsewhere - fetch ksst -fetch) Can you guess as to Two? Think One-Two-Three as a set of transitions.

[ksst]

I'm going to guess I already have a picture of it. That's only a guess.

[ksst]

The other guess is like position one but with hands behind the back. I tried those. I have a guess at 4 also.
https://fetlife.com/users/1182054/pictures/8517893

[Ozme52]

No. Not behind the back but it's a nice variation. From One, you rise off your haunches and grasp both hands behind your neck. For display and inspection.

[ksst]

Ok, I tried some of these last night for my Master and he decided they were good for producing orgasms. Still no pain though, not that I'm looking to get pain, but how long are you doing these for? I spend a lot of time kneeling anyway to that doesn't bother me. Although after 10 minutes or so my legs fall asleep so I shift to the not sitting on legs version, above.

[Ozme52]

No pain necessary for training using orgasms.
They intensify your submission too.
They strengthen the body.
As a tableau they please the master.
They increase confidence.
It's a good place to put your sub when your inbetween usages.

10 minutes is a great start./ Just work your way up to whatever length of time he deems appropriate.

[ksst]

He says he'll come take a look at the posts here after lunch.

[ksst]

Or not

[liavan1]

i am currently in training for this and i sware it does work...
Respectfully,
Slave squeaks