i'm not Catholic, nor was i raised in any one religion, but i have been exposed to many different denominations. What does strike me is that the ritual, obsequiousness and devotion definitely appeals to me. There is a peace and calm achieved in a religious setting that appeals to so many. So rather than training submission, maybe it fills a need already there? As karley said, the idyll is to only worship God, however, we can't deny the patriarchial nature of most religions. Obedience in marriage vows...mosques admit men first to pray...women are excluded from Hindu temples when menstruating...maybe i'm getting a bit off topic, but what i can say for sure is that kneeling in a church isn't half as much fun as kneeling at Masters feet!