November Elections

[Punish_her]

With all due respect: You ARE stuck with mountains of utterly unpayable debt.

not I said the young man with no family, no IMMEDIATE DEBT IN MY NAME, and no dependents. there's a reason i'm expatriating in the summer

[Punish_her]

You may wish to check your facts.

First of all, Congress gave Bush its approval for everything we have done since 911. (Well documented and under media scrutiny the whole way I might add)

Secondly, all of the withdrawals in Iraq and subsequent build ups in Afghanistan have in fact followed the pre-established conditions and timetables set down during Bush and Cheney's administration...almost to the letter.

the war powers resolution, whether or not it is constitutional is debateable, but as it stands, its legal, but it doesn't mean it was a good decision

[denuseri]

Doesnt matter a wit whether it was a good decision or not...its the facts.

Congress did indeed give its stamp of approval.

Mainly becuase big oil wanted it too.

[Punish_her]

Doesnt matter a wit whether it was a good decision or not...its the facts.

Congress did indeed give its stamp of approval.

Mainly becuase big oil wanted it too.

there is not a single shred of evidence that supports we went into the Middle East for oil

[Punish_her]

Also, I propose changing the name of this thread to "November Erections"

[StrictMasterD]

Bush never set a Time Table and he Publcy said her would never set a Time Timefor Withdrawl so the Taliban would not be waiting inthe wings so to speak to take over
I never read anhwere where MONEY as allottedfor either War nor do I ever remember hearing Congress ok going the
My point on the Stimulus was simple the Repulicans complianed about the Ammount of the Stimulus Bill but they are the ones who drove us into the situation thus Pelosi's remark, Bush was respomable for most of the Economic Conditions when Obama Taook over, GM was ailing BEFORE Obma took over, the SubMortage Crisis startedBEFORE OBama took over
I might add I do NOT support Obama the reality is most of what Obamam is dealing with now, he Inherited, with the exception of High Gas Prices, which usual happens in an Election Year, it happenend in 2008, and 2004 no the prices then were not $4 a galoon but 85-90% of what Obamam is dealing iwth now he inherited hecame into a Weak Economy, He came into 2 Wars,. one he has already Ended, He came into An Economic Downturn, He cam into The Auto INdustry in trouble, yes he is t blame for some of the current issues we are now dealingwith, but most he inherited
I might also add, that Bush took a MASSIVE Surplus left by Clinton and turned that into a Massive Debt faster then ANY President in History be they a Repulican or Democrat
The reality is come November we realy have no real choice for the White House

[StrictMasterD]

If you go back to when Obama 1st announced us leaving Iraque, Sen. John Mcain and VP Cheney BOTH critisized him saying "You do not tell your Enemy when you are leaving" Mcain was far more outspoken over this the Cheney was but both where very critical of Obmam for Publicly say when we were leaving Iraque and Afganistan
The Best way to win a War is to simply take away the ability for the Enemy to fight

[lucy]

not I said the young man with no family, no IMMEDIATE DEBT IN MY NAME, and no dependents. there's a reason i'm expatriating in the summer

Won't help you, either. The IRS taxes American citizen's income even if they've expatriated (far as I know it's the only country who does that).
So you need to get rid of your American citizenship if you want to avoid having to pay for America's debt. Or not have any income.

[Stealth694]

Like most REMF's Cheney was incredibly short sighted but Mcain is a real hypocrite, he should know that pulling a military force out of a theatre of occupation is a time consuming and in depth procedure. There is no way an enemy cannot see that we are pulling out and prepare for it. But as usual the Republicans are not responsible for the mess but they sure do not want to let the Democrates clean it up (?). But with Austrailia pulling out a year in advance hopefully NATO will get the idea that the Middle East is just a lost cause and join the Austrailians and hopefully OBama will decide to pull out early also.

[Punish_her]

Won't help you, either. The IRS taxes American citizen's income even if they've expatriated (far as I know it's the only country who does that).
So you need to get rid of your American citizenship if you want to avoid having to pay for America's debt. Or not have any income.

that is my intention

[StrictMasterD]

Like most REMF's Cheney was incredibly short sighted but Mcain is a real hypocrite, he should know that pulling a military force out of a theatre of occupation is a time consuming and in depth procedure. There is no way an enemy cannot see that we are pulling out and prepare for it. But as usual the Republicans are not responsible for the mess but they sure do not want to let the Democrates clean it up (?). But with Austrailia pulling out a year in advance hopefully NATO will get the idea that the Middle East is just a lost cause and join the Austrailians and hopefully OBama will decide to pull out early also.

Mcain is a RINO (Republican InName Only) Obamas plan it to leave Afgsnistan by Dec 0f2013 he aleady pulled us out of Iraq and the only reason we even went into Afganistan wa for Bin Ladin who is now gone, if we wait til Al Quidea is dismatled we wil be there for ever but I do not belive Bush had ANY plan to end either War he only had plan to go into bothcountries and in any war you musthave both an Enter and Exit plan Bush had no Exit plan
I might add the last time the United State Delcared War was WW2 Congress authirzed Miltary action for Iraq BUT THEY NEVER Delcared war on Iraq only pass a bil cal lthe Iraq Ristance Bill which authorizedMilitary action for the purposes of finding WMD's which didnot exit and to oust Huesein but a WAr delcration was neer issed
For what ever thereason the United States has this insesent need to "Force" our be;liefs on other countires, we as a Nation need to cease Policing the whole world, because when we need help, A Torndoes, Hurricane et no other Foreign helps us, what was the lasttime we had a Major Disater be it Man Made or even 911 and ANY foreighn conytry even any our Allies offered us ANY Help... NEVER, we alway rsuh in both they never rush to our Aid when we need it

[StrictMasterD]

I may have used the wrong words what I wassaying it notthat the US went into Iraq and Afgansitan unapproved, the were approved, what was meant was WAR was never delcared against either Country before we went in
The last time Congresses approved a War Resolution for WW2, yes Article were approved to go into both countries we didnot delacre war of either nation
And the USA needs to stop Policing the world and forcing our VIEWS on the world

[The Novice]

Amen to that. Let the rest of the world fix their own problems.

[IAN 2411]

I have just received this from a very good friend in the USA, I just had to share it.

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Dear Friends:

There are less than 7 months until election day when the people will decide who will be
the next President of the United States . The person elected will be the president of all
Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans. It’s time that we all need to come
... together, Democrats and Republicans alike.
In a bi-partisan effort for America :

If you will support Mitt Romney, please
drive with your headlights ON during the day.

If you support Barack Obama, please drive
with your headlights OFF at night.
.................................................. ..........
Sorry peeps....the devil made me post it

Be well IAN 2411

[Stealth694]

That was what I said the day Little Georgie and his puppet master decided to go into Iraq to "Make the World a Safer Place"
Yeah Right,,

[StrictMasterD]

No what I said was WAR was never delacred with Iraq or Afganistan, I neevr meantto say Bush never recoeoved permisson, WAR was never declared the asttime the US delcared war on anyonewas WW2
If Romeny is elected ALL Major Corpotarion wil recieve every conceivable Break thereis Tacx Breaks etc why should Companies berewaed for Off shoring Jobs
Obama may be a disapountmet, Ronmey wil be a disater

[StrictMasterD]

The United State has a long history of invadfng other countries to Forced our ways on others, it is time the USA stared to take care of their own before we offer help to others
We immediatly send aid to any country who is victom of a disrater Man Man or other wise, when was the last time another Countrysent ANY HELP to us, nobody even sent help after 911

[Cumplete Cuntrol]

It is a sad state of affairs that W/we are forced to choose between two evils at all, even if O/our personal perception is that one is less so than the other. In My opinion, any O/one who settles for what the Republicans or Democrats serve up as choices qualifies to be called a masochist.

[StrictMasterD]

But our system works what other system works like ours does ture sometime we do have have great choice but the key herei s we have CHOICES you can vote for who ever youwant and not worryabout beingshot, arrested etc for doing so, how many other countreis sice thier day 1 has allowed that?
And if you are nothappy with you waselected you can vote him or her out in 4 years