"Realistic" Rape Fantasy

[rounders31]

Alright, I'll make this as quick as possible. There is nothing that ruins a great story/hard-on faster, than reading what begins as a stellar depiction of a brutal and merciless rape of a young girl, and just as I'm transfixed in the fantasy, It is ruined as I am quickly forced out the fantasy due to the same bullshit that destroys all posibility of realism, and thus kills the fantasy for me. For example, when the hot little virgin teen cunt is being brutally sodomized with the barrell of a Louisville Slugger, all while her previously virgin cunt is forced down to take all 24 inches of giraffe cock simultaneously, why does that strangely arousing image have to be ruined with some bullshit like, "but then as little Susie regained consciousness after passing out for the fourth time from this ungodly nightmare of pain that only the sinister combo of a giraffe and Louisville Slugger could properly administer, she started to feel an intense wave rush over her pain-racked body. But unlike the waves of unspeakeable misery that she had been lost in till now, this one was good as she started to orgasm uncontrolably, begging her demented rapist to shove all 34 inches of that cold aluminum into her destroyed asshole, as wave after wave of pleasure....." yada-yada- bullshit! I mean C'mon, I think I can safetly say that it is 100x more plausible for a young virgin to be raped by a sadistic criminal and his pet giraffe, that it is for her to like it. Anyways, I have no problem with stories that are written with an obviously fictious setting and situation intact, and these pain sluts love this intense torture. But if it starts out in your average suburban neighborhood, where the young girl is kidnapped on her way home from school by a neighbor that had been watching and plotting his time to take her and the story flows like a real life situation, then my advice is to keep this well written plotline and make it realsitic and the story should spend more time raping and using the girl for his sexual desires than it does talking about stupid shit that is completely unrelated to the fantasy being depicted. P.S. One Idea that I would love to see used more often and more thouroughly is the use of ring gags. For me, this is the epitome of what the word nonconsentual sex means. Due to the possiblilty of asphyxtiation, it has got to be the most terrifying thing for a person having lost any and all protection from anything of any length forced into their wide open throats. So more ring gags would be fantastic.

[Toymaker]

I'm fairly new to these forums, but I must admit that I, too, have often lost interest in stories where the raped/tortured female suddenly began having multiple orgasms right in the midst of a marathon gangrape by horses and escaped convicts who haven't bathed in over a month!

I agree that sticking to some small thread of realism is essential in a story's construction.

I also agree wholeheartedly on the idea of ring gags. Being able to insert whatever you desire into a slave/captives mouth is definitely a plus in my book.

[Cordoza]

This is most interesting. My view as a sadistic writer is that if you're going to be nasty, then BE nasty. So I guess you're reading the wrong stories. You might try my 'Agony of Simone' story in the BDSM library here, I try to include realism, but I write lesbian/animal rape, so it may not interest you. But that aside, I agree with you. But for those S&M writers you talk about, the 'aroused' victim is just their own fantasy...or maybe they are scared to go the whole way.
Thanks, I'm glad you brought this up, it gives me more confidence to write about only genuine abuse situations. And I'm all in favour of ring gags.

[carrie]

I couldn't have said it better myself Rounders! When I fantasize about rape I like to put myself in the victims shoes and there's nothing that irritates me more than for her to suddenly get excited by the rape. I always read to see if it is "nc" or rape and bypass those that are "reluctant" or anything that would be consensual. Unfortunately that doesn't always mean anything to the author who seems to think a woman can be forced into orgasm. Give me a break! I know that a lot of guys fantasize about that or maybe are just afraid to post a story realistically but I think that should be put in the description of the story. Instead of "nc" or "rape" how about "orgasmic fantasy rape" or something that will save those of us who want it realistic the time wasted reading it?

We all have individual fantasies and I have no problem with that, there should however be a way to determine if the story we are about to read is "realistic fantasy" or "fantasy fantasy".

The same goes true for "humiliation", I love the fantasy of being humiliated yet so many stories have the victim getting "wet" and afraid her abductors will notice. As far as I'm concerned if it's turning you on, you want it!

Thanks for the post.

[prey4me]

Rounders 31,

The true-victim rape stories do seem to get cross-contaminated by the "reluctant" ones. I guess there's a common fantasy of the guy who is such a stud, his force-rape victim "comes around" and then "enjoys" the assault! For the life of me, I can't figure it out, but it sure shows up in enough stories. I'm usually with the story for the assault, the attack, the penetration, the initial anguish, and then I quit it when I read something like, "as her pussy lubricated, a wonderful warmth began to emanate from deep within, and she started pushing her blood-engorged clit down upon his monster cock..."

Ugh!

I started a thread on bride rape, and would be interested in your thoughts on that. Hasn't attracted any responses so far....I thought it would generate some buzz.

I've had to slow down because of some additional job responsibilities, but I'm working on a few stories, and trust me, they're "authentic victims," if that doesn't sound redundant. One is a bride (and her new husband) who are the victims of a honeymoon cottage home invasion. The gimmick is that the bridegroom is overpowered and tied down. Then a fishing line is wrapped around his cock, and the (virgin, of course) bride (in her gown: lots of silk, skirt, petticoat....very feminine) is forced to endure all sorts of degrading torment and rape.

I'm also working on a schoolgirl rape story, based somewhat on Gilmore Girls type of characters.

And I have a story near completion of a fifteen-year-old junior bridesmaid who goes into the wrong hotel room by mistake. She's wearing a full-skirted pink gown, and meets a methamphetamine-stoned gangster.

Now, every one of these girls is in misery until the very end of her rape.

And then some!

[scandalous pleasure]

As a woman, rape reality is what I fear. . .I enjoy the "she was brought to intense pleasure against her will" story because it turns it into something pleasurable and kills the fear. . .

A lot of women have rape fantasies and most of them are not fantasizing about pain or fear or (squick!) death, but about a mind-blowing sexual experience, of being "taken" against their will and still getting off. . .of having the nightmare turn into the dream. What's wrong with that? Why can't we have our stories, too?

It isn't realistic, but isn't that the point of fantasy?

I guess I agree with Carrie about the labelling. I like a lot of NC stories, but not the ones that are about brutality and no pleasure--they just give me nightmares. . .

[Cordoza]

Scandalous Pleasure has a valid point, it is a question of defining what turns the reader on. As for women being worried about rape, that's understandable, but in many situations, like war or being incarcerated in prison, male rape is a very real risk too, if not a certainty.

As for 'pleasure', I think SP is only thinking of the victim, because in totally non consensual sex it is the rapist who is getting the pleasure, and thereby also the sadistically inclined reader. It just depends which side you empathize with. I suppose the only satisfactory answer to this dilemma is for authors to cater for all scenarios, and make sure the nature of the text is clearly defined in the titling.

[lordgriffin]

Like so many forums, I see the good writers are as frustraited as I with the "fantasy" writers.

Not only rape is unrealistic. The number of times I have seen "Incest.... boy makes loveto his father's 2nd wife's 3rd cousin" or the clasic superheroine story where they get the heroine pinned...helpless and then dediced to leave her alone in a room with all of her abities and she "happens" to escape.

I think the main problem is people's fear of being recognized, how horrible that "lionwoman" get actually tamed..used..impregnated and auctioned off to an adult circus.

I see authors affriad to write about famous characters (Such as Simba or Wonderwoman) for fear "we'll get SUED" yea right and the BDSM story isn't enough for some moral idiot to try and sue? or purhaps they will sue 2 kids for playing "superman" in the back yard.

I find it hard to support ANY forum these days because of teh crushing disappointment of a well set up plot followed by the inevitable "but they really LIKED it or they got AWAY"

Why so much sex..never apregnancy...what a way to control females...

[Bald_J_and_F]

We dislike ALL stories about rape. "Rape" is by definition non-consensual, and terms like "rape-play" are simply ridiculous. Women who claim they have "rape fantasies" delude themselves; they have fantasies about rough sex, but not about rape, since the main point of "rape" is the receiving one NOT wanting it. A woman who talks of "rape fantasies" might as well talk about "square circles". Self-contradictory by definition. Using the word "rape" frivolously is an insult to all women who have been raped.

[prey4me]

You have a point,Bald J-and-F, but fantasy is fantasy. As long as we understand that it is, and remains, fiction.

Some people fear that violent fiction (and video games) induces some people to commit violent (e.g. rape) acts, and makes other people tolerant of same. Perhaps. I have have had rape fantasies all my life (I'll skip the self-analysis here), but have never done them--and I have had a few authentic opportunities.

Actually, I agree with you: it is absurd to think that a rape victim would "come around" and "respond" to her attacker's actions. I believe there are a lot of women who might fantasize about that, but if it actually happened, would find it to be a very tragic situation. And if a (probabably) man did it, he would (1) be very foolish, in this day of advanced criminology, and (2) hopefully find that it's not the gratifying experience he hoped it to be.

Alas, there are enough sick individuals who do attempt and practice this fantasy. For them, we have jails.

For the rest of us, we have bdsmlibrary.com!

(Also asstr.org)

[Ranai]

On this theme, please see also
A question for "some" of the authors

[pop_54]

I've never actually written a 'real rape' story, you know real thing, blood shit and piss everywhere... I must try one soon.

I did write one 'nc'/'reluctant' that was along the lines of a woman not so much wanting to be raped, but having the will power and sense to lay back open her legs and take it rather than struggle and risk violent injury... With this scenario where the woman was trying to relax as much as possible under the circumstances and allowing the forced sex act to take place... I found it easy and acceptable to steer her into liking it after a while... Not liking it as a voluntary sex act as such, but she began to use the guys fucking and messing about with her, she turned them against each other with comments about their individual prowess... she was also angry with them and found it fun to taunt them and begin to take control of the situation...This amused her and began to arouse her sexually, she realised that it wasn't all that bad after all, and she began to enjoy the sex acts and her new found control of these two guys... As I say this scenario I found acceptable and eventually had her each orgasm a few times.

However... Had I written that she was screaming and struggling, she needed to be restrained and beaten, she was tied by her arms and legs spreadeagle on the bed, her clothes ripped from her body, parcel tape gagging and blindfolding her, two guys taking what they wanted without feeling or care for her or her well being... Maybe both having a turn with her then beginning the bottle and cucumber insertions up both holes, caning her with sticks and whipping her with belts... The real blood shit and piss everywhere stuff... I would have been unable to steer that to any orgasmic conclusion other than for the two guys, and I would have expected to be slated and critisized by the readers for such a ridiculous scenario.

I know a lot of women and girls claim to have rape fantasies, 'no you don't girls' Real rape is shit, it hurts, it's evil

[Ranai]

So, in a story, rape and orgasm and perhaps a modicum of realism, can it be done?

Like this, for example. [I am leaving out the name of the rapist in the story.]

A long time seemed to pass before I heard the door open and sensed the presence of my jailor. My release did not come immediately – not until [he] had taken advantage of my widely spread legs and exposed sex, first using his fingers until my loins became uncontrollably wet, then thrusting into me with a vigour I could do nothing to counter. I closed my eyes and let him pump away, the weight of him on top of my own tied and spreadeagled body only drawing everything tighter. I was panting and moaning now under the tape and the mask, partly from the pain of the stretching in my restraints and partly – I admit – from the arousal between my legs. I confess to climaxing, even under such circumstances. I could not help myself and saw no point in fighting it. It did nothing to alter my feelings of loathing towards [him], nor did it lessen my desire for revenge.
Richard Alexander: Vanishing Act

Or like this.

Once again, the cock responded. Despite the boy's shame. Despite his on-going fear. Despite his deepening physical and emotional weakness. AKA knelt and licked the top of the penis. The cock immediately jumped and elongated.
Amazing, just amazing! AKA thought, still surprised that a kid could get hard and cum – not once but any number of times – in such a situation. [...]
AKA opened his mouth and went down on the cock. The kid's thighs flexed, his legs straightened out from the bed. AKA moved his hands down the legs, back up them to the boy's waist, around to his back as he engorged the seven long, lean satisfying inches to the hilt. Donovan groaned in pleasure. It was not a pleasure he wanted, of course. There was no conversion to a new and exciting lifestyle in process here. AKA was no fool. The boy was being raped and he knew it, would never forgive it, and, if given the chance, would make sure AKA paid for it, but he responded to the pure physical pleasure of what was being done to him whether he wanted to or not.
Jason: The Chosen One

As far as I'm concerned if it's turning you on, you want it!

In a consensual situation, yes.

With adequate stimuli, more refined than the giraffe/Louisville Slugger combination, it can at times be plausible if characters get turned on without having consented to any of the sexual activities they get subjected to. Arousal is arousal, not consent. The fallacy ‘If it's turning you on, you want it’ is used ad nauseam by writers who invent a nonconsensual situation and at the same time feel compelled to deny it.

The epitome of this absurdity, if used in writing about a rape situation, is the phrase ‘His body betrayed him’ or ‘Her body betrayed her’.

[delish]

Ranai wrote:

Arousal is arousal, not consent. The fallacy ‘If it's turning you on, you want it’ is used ad nauseam by writers who invent a nonconsensual situation and at the same time feel compelled to deny it.

The epitome of this absurdity, if used in writing about a rape situation, is the phrase ‘His body betrayed him’ or ‘Her body betrayed her’.

First of all, I'm glad it's been brought up that an orgasm doesn't imply consent. I'm in hearty agreement with that fact- enough that I feel justified about posting when that's the only thing of merit/on topic I have to say.

As an aside, I always heard the phrase 'Her body betrayed her' not to imply that it revealed what she really wanted, but that she found her body's reactions to be a betrayal of how she was feeling... She's afraid, humiliated, in pain, and her body is betraying her by reacting in a positive manner despite all that.

That's not to say that either interpretation is more valid, of course. I'm just offering another viewpoint to the way that phrase may be used.

[Ranai]

Hi delish, good point on the meanings of ‘betray’. You have made me reach for the dictionary, which is always good. I guess this would be ‘betray’ in a sense of ‘react in a way I don’t want’ (as opposed to an unrealistic ‘reveal what I really want’).

I think that’s part of being human. Whether in a life-threatening crisis or under more ordinary circumstances, human bodies tend to react in all sorts of ways without waiting for approval. I think I have encountered the ‘body betrayed’ phrase in connection with exhaustion, sickness, the process of aging, stuff like that. And nobody, of whatever sex, orientation or fetish decides to get aroused by XY – it happens. (See Sadism.) We don't choose how we react to stimuli. But we choose what we do, which is why real rapists and abusers are responsible for the crimes they commit. Personally I have found it somewhat disconcerting at times how arousing I find nc fiction, usually with descriptions of men who get subjected to sex against their will. But, as neither the writing nor reading causes real suffering to a real person, I choose to indulge in this genre for enjoyment.

A resource for authors: the wikipedia article on Rape. It even contains a note on the 'orgasm ≠ consent' theme. The 'fantasy vs. reality' theme also shows up in this article. Authors may wish to peruse the section on ‘Profiles’; it could be helpful for constructing realistic rapists.

[lost innocense]

As a survivor of rape I can tell you, after many years of secrecy, that it is common for many victims of rape to have guilt. Guilt because a for many there was a point of enjoyment and turn on by this act even though it wasn't consensual. I still get turned on by the stories of being taken in this way. This is part of the reason I have a deep seeded fascination with BDSM. I have in many ways taken control of my life in finding a safe way to face these demons. I like it rough, and sometimes the idea of an unknown assailant. There are some people who feel this way. I am by no means speaking for every one who has been through this sort of thing. But after being molested as a child, I had to find some way to express and investigate the feelings I had. Yes, I got wet! Yes, I got excited! No, I didn't understand it! I was afraid for my life and turned on at the same time! It's an odd feeling.... many confusing emotions at once. But while I still hate the person who forced these things on me I found it very erotic.
Sorry to rant, but it's a different perspective.

[Aussiegirl1]

As a survivor of rape I can tell you, after many years of secrecy, that it is common for many victims of rape to have guilt. Guilt because a for many there was a point of enjoyment and turn on by this act even though it wasn't consensual. I still get turned on by the stories of being taken in this way. This is part of the reason I have a deep seeded fascination with BDSM. I have in many ways taken control of my life in finding a safe way to face these demons. I like it rough, and sometimes the idea of an unknown assailant.

I just came across this thread and found it interesting, and your story very touching. Well done for seeming to have found a way of dealing with what must have been a very truamatic time in your live. I have often wondered if some of the interest in BDSM comes from being abused. I suppose people react in different ways to what life throws at them. I hope you continue to find a way to face those demons.
Aussiegirl1

[Tojo]

'Owayagoing yourself' Aussiegirl?

I've known a lot of women who have been victims of some sort of assault, whether from a family member or whatever. Many of them said much of the guilt comes from the fact that they enjoyed it at some point.

The only reason I reply to this thread is to say my experience is that it's very common, & nothing to feel guilty about.

It's interesting that some of the previous posters were banned. The whole thread brings back far too many memories for me.


Tojo

[Ozme52]

I just came across this thread and found it interesting, and your story very touching. Well done for seeming to have found a way of dealing with what must have been a very truamatic time in your live. I have often wondered if some of the interest in BDSM comes from being abused. I suppose people react in different ways to what life throws at them. I hope you continue to find a way to face those demons.
Aussiegirl1

Not here Aussiegirl,

I was never abused or mistreated by the parents, friends thereof, or relatives. And though some schoolchums may have teased from time to time, not to the point of cruelty and we all took our turns, so to speak.

My desire is the simple extension of my basic personality. I tend to lead when a leadership vacumn exists. I tend to excell and succeed in most of my endeavors. I enjoy the attention of subordinates... and now submissives.

[Ozme52]

'Owayagoing yourself' Aussiegirl?

I've known a lot of women who have been victims of some sort of assault, whether from a family member or whatever. Many of them said much of the guilt comes from the fact that they enjoyed it at some point.

The only reason I reply to this thread is to say my experience is that it's very common, & nothing to feel guilty about.

It's interesting that some of the previous posters were banned. The whole thread brings back far too many memories for me.


Tojo

I've found those who've experienced real life rape, if they DON'T feel guilty about it, tend to be very non-submissive. They have no bdsm desires at all... (those that I've met, that is.)

[Tojo]

I've found those who've experienced real life rape, if they DON'T feel guilty about it, tend to be very non-submissive.

Yes I'm married to one- she doesn't have a submissive bone in her body, & is getting more powerful each day. She did feel guilty for years too, still does at times.

She's starting to get a little scary really!


Tojo

[Ayla Silver]

This is an interesting topic.

I think the reason that the victim-enjoying-the-rape fantasy is growing into a problem is that the idea's is being overused. This occurrence that's suppose to be rare, at the best, is quickly becoming all too common. And also, as pointed out, there are situations where the victim could never, ever enjoy the rape.

Sure, certain stories might be a tad unrealistic. The giraffe example was certainly not very lifelike. But there are certain settings in which such a twist could work. There are possibilities in which the victim happened to be submissive, or had an orgasm without choice. I agree with Ranai. Under the right circumstances, something like that could be realistic, if done right. It's a long shot, but that's why it's a story.

To me, it all depends on perspective and individual interests. And there's a wide variety where BDSM is concerned. Not everyone enjoys fantasies about savage rapes by vulgar men. Some prefer light bondage and consensual circumstances. As I said before, it depends on the individual. Not all authors will have the same fantasies as you. Let them write what they want. You don't have to read it.

[sexysublady]

My name is Angela, and I am 25. I am also submissive, and I believe that it all (BDSM) started with my rape experiences. I was not abused as a child, but I had had 3 rape experiences. The first one I was only 15, and there were 4 boys. Like Melissa, I turned out to be enjoying the experience deep down... They never roughed me up or beat me, just held me down, caressed me... maybe that has played a role. Anyways, when I was 22, I got raped again, I was with my best female friend, and they were 5 men in their 40s. I was really surprised that I was almost "waiting" for it to happen, again, deep down... We never reported it... And in a month we had a conversation with that best female friend. I asked her straight, and she would not deny that she could have found these men attractive too. So, we went to the other part of the city, and started chatting with a group of teens who were playing a football. Well, you probably know what happened next... my 3d time. I understand that it might be quite unbelievable for someone, at least I could not have believed myself, but...

[Ozme52]

So you manage to provide a 'real' rape for the men and a nearly real rape for yourself.... because it's definitely consentual on you part... this most recent time.

I'm curious now.... what would really get you off the next time?

[sexysublady]

I would not deny that my 3d most recent time was consentual on my part. All I wanted to say is that my whole BDSM life started after my 1st rape experience. I also had had guilt at first, because of enjoying the experience deep down. And my way of overcoming this guilt was to... join the lifestyle... So I would agree with Melissa that it is not impossible to enjoy a true rape experience deep down... at least if it was not violent like with me. And yes, now doing this sort of thing (providing "near real" rape experiences for myself, and "real" for the men) gets me off. Yet I would probably be afraid to do this without my female friend (and she moved out, so it really does look unlikely that I would do this again).

[Atropos]

I agree, the rape/abuse/domination stories where the girl finds herself reluctantly enjoying what's happening to her don't really hold much appeal for me. I think there's certainly a place for that kind of story- as someone upthread mentioned, some people enjoy reading about the "forced pleasure" sort of scenario. But that's not my particular taste, so I wish, as someone else suggested, that those types of stories would be more clearly differentiated from each other. Because it really does kill the mood for the more "nasty" or sadistic-minded among us! :-D

[Radiance]

Raped at 14 by my boyfriend,I knew from that day on I would always be in control of my body,it did change my life and from a few days after he fucked me without me saying yes, I changed my life for the better,Control is all know now ,no one will ever do that to me again, Maybe thats why ive been a Domme since .But the word Rape to me is evil.Unless youve been raped you would never know how we feel,its not kinky or fun, its degrading and makes you weak,Never again

[jack]

Sorry for my intrusion in the tread, i read all posts and i would like to do some consideration, some people wrote about personal experience, i'm disappointed for all of them that has been raped, some explanation tuched my soul.
My opininon is that the tread is wrong from the beginning, because this forum is about fantasies, people feel free to post all pervessed fantasies not "REALISTIC".
Personally i will never rape a woman and, as all know, people who did it usually, when is in jail, is in trouble whit others inmates they beat him and in some case killed him (in italian jail is like this).
I'agree that rape is disgusting,or evil as radiance said, i don't like it , anyway some people like it and as i said before this is a forum for fantasies, not for confessions.
I wish you all girls and women to overcome your bad feelings and be positive about future.