punishment,pain or pleasure

[annie]

it constantly amazes me when subs say they go out of their way to be punished because its a turn on, maybe its me but i just dont get it,how can you possibly be turned on.

Maybe it is just me... and maybe I am getting grumpy in my old age. And I am certain that several will jump all over me for this post... but I'm going to say it anyhow because it is my opinion.

ANY sub, who purposely sets out to annoy/disobey their Dom so that they can be punished is not a sub at all but someone wanting to play games and trying to top from the bottom. They aren't looking to serve they are looking for a head rush.

And...

ANY Dom/me who allows that type of behavior, on a regular basis, isn't a Dom/me but someone who wants to have a bit of fun without having to commit to the improvement of their sub.

There is a point when the question has to be asked, especially if a sub sets out regularly to cause a true "punishment" situation, if the relationship is truly meeting the needs of everyone involved. Which is great if it is, but at that point, if that is the dynamic that is "working" for them, I would not put the title Dom/sub on those involved but more of a role play Dom/sub or a Top/bottom. Just not how I define a D/s relationship that would work for me.