Quote Originally Posted by just_annie View Post
Maybe it is just me... and maybe I am getting grumpy in my old age. And I am certain that several will jump all over me for this post... but I'm going to say it anyhow because it is my opinion.

ANY sub, who purposely sets out to annoy/disobey their Dom so that they can be punished is not a sub at all but someone wanting to play games and trying to top from the bottom. They aren't looking to serve they are looking for a head rush.

And...

ANY Dom/me who allows that type of behavior, on a regular basis, isn't a Dom/me but someone who wants to have a bit of fun without having to commit to the improvement of their sub.

There is a point when the question has to be asked, especially if a sub sets out regularly to cause a true "punishment" situation, if the relationship is truly meeting the needs of everyone involved. Which is great if it is, but at that point, if that is the dynamic that is "working" for them, I would not put the title Dom/sub on those involved but more of a role play Dom/sub or a Top/bottom. Just not how I define a D/s relationship that would work for me.
I couldn't agree more annie - well stated!

Pain or no pain - Punishment is letting down your Master and invoking his disappoint, annoyance or anger and any sub worth her salt who is real would Never, in any circumstance, bring that about - Just the one look of upset from Him is heart-wrenching and crumbles you so whether He adds pain to it and you like it or not, it further instills the horrible feeling already settled in yourself at letting him down - No sub would purposely do this to her Master if she has any respect for Him at all.