what is up with telling the truth...?????

[Warbaby1943]

I certainly wouldn't volunteer information either, but if people ask me about something, I'll always tell them the truth.

I just have to hope that they don't ask the questions that I don't want to answer

Not sure in my case I'd admit to my wife anything about these forums even if she asked. Now that is being honest.

[Rowen]

Not sure in my case I'd admit to my wife anything about these forums even if she asked. Now that is being honest.

Most understandable.. and perhaps there is a difference between "not telling everything" and lying?

[blythe spirit]

If you ask an honest man if he's lying, he will tell you the truth for he is not a liar. If you ask a liar if he's lying he too will say he is not. So how do you know?

[DiablosPet]

Great thread topic!

I honestly cannot lie to my Master, even though he is so far away and it would be so simple. The thought of being dishonest with my Master has never even crossed my mind, it just doesn't work.. I think that a true Sub would defiantly have a very hard time deceiving his/her Dom...

-DP

[Rowen]

If you ask an honest man if he's lying, he will tell you the truth for he is not a liar. If you ask a liar if he's lying he too will say he is not. So how do you know?

Well, you don't. Also... each has is own truth..
However... thrall refers to something apparently typical for submissives.. that you simply tell.. "ratting yourself out" as she so eloquotely puts it

[Naomisagoodgirl]

If you ask an honest man if he's lying, he will tell you the truth for he is not a liar. If you ask a liar if he's lying he too will say he is not. So how do you know?

This reminds me of a funny exchange I had with my master.

Masterid you just open your eyes?
Me: Noooo.
Master: Are you lying?
Me: Yes.


Hee hee. Why lie on the first question but answer the second truthfully? Guess I just needed a couple seconds for my obedient self to kick in.

[Logic1]

So what´s wrong with telling the truth? I sure know for myself that I much rather hear the truth and deal with it as such than get a lie and then to find out that somebody told me a lie..
My girl cant lie. She just sucks at it which is kinda funny . I also know when she tries to hide things from me but that isnt as obvious though. I personally dont lie to my girl. I do however tell lies to customers I tend to at work cause it is simply better to tell them a lie at times but I try my darndest not to.
Sub´s or slaves who doesnt tell lies is to me a good thing.
You dont get punished for telling the truth. You get punished for NOT telling the truth in my book.

[Warbaby1943]

So what´s wrong with telling the truth? I sure know for myself that I much rather hear the truth and deal with it as such than get a lie and then to find out that somebody told me a lie..
My girl cant lie. She just sucks at it which is kinda funny . I also know when she tries to hide things from me but that isnt as obvious though. I personally dont lie to my girl. I do however tell lies to customers I tend to at work cause it is simply better to tell them a lie at times but I try my darndest not to.
Sub´s or slaves who doesnt tell lies is to me a good thing.
You dont get punished for telling the truth. You get punished for NOT telling the truth in my book.

I just have to ask. If you truly would rather hear the truth what makes you think that the same isn't true for your customers? I don't know what you do but if I were told a lie by a salesperson and later found out about that lie I'd be pissed as hell and never use his/her products again.

[rooshoe]

Most understandable.. and perhaps there is a difference between "not telling everything" and lying?

IMO, omission of truth is on par with lying. "Editing" certain events/facts and leaving things out can cause someone to behave differently, as does outright changing of facts. Let's say the dog ate all the cookies in the cookie jar - that's one thing. But if the dog ate all the cookies *after* you'd taken several that you weren't supposed to have... well, the cookies are still gone, but you have much more culpability in the second version. Like i said, i think that omission of fact is still lying.

Well, you don't. Also... each has his own truth..
However... thrall refers to something apparently typical for submissives.. that you simply tell.. "ratting yourself out" as she so eloquently puts it

Put my name down on that list too - i have a miserable time lying. I'd rather just come out with my screw-up and get it over with instead of worrying about being "discovered" and trying to cover up all traces of what I've done/not done. It's not worth the energy, guilt, or breach of trust that it may cause.

I just have to ask. If you truly would rather hear the truth what makes you think that the same isn't true for your customers? I don't know what you do but if I were told a lie by a salesperson and later found out about that lie I'd be pissed as hell and never use his/her products again.

Although I am not familiar with what Logic1 does specifically, i too have worked in sales, and sometimes it's just easier to simplify things for the customer by lying rather than explain tons of things they really don't need to know that will most likely confuse and stress them out. (And that's not me being arrogant or an elitist, that's me being experienced and knowing when someone really doesn't need to know something.) I've also worked in retail and we had a member card program, But people, being people, would sometimes forget their membership cards and sometimes the number look-up wouldn't find their number. Of course, they would ask, "Why don't you have my member number in the system?" I frequently found it easier to tell them that our server was having "issues" rather than tell them that the idiots at corporate probably hadn't input the information from their application correctly, if they did it at all... I'd still give them the member discount and i'd gently remind them to bring their card next time ('cause the number look-up was never intended to be used instead of the card, anyway). For me, that's an instance where the truth really isn't necessary and can even be a p.i.t.a.

[Logic1]

I just have to ask. If you truly would rather hear the truth what makes you think that the same isn't true for your customers? I don't know what you do but if I were told a lie by a salesperson and later found out about that lie I'd be pissed as hell and never use his/her products again.

Lol I now notice that that didnt come out right
What I meant was that you dont find out that. It is not that kind of lies that you can.
Sadly cant really explain it any better than that though.

[Logic1]

didnt read rooshoes post but she was spot on. That´s the kind of lies I was talking about. Simplifications as to actually make things better for them than a straight truth would.

now again. Where the heck is the edit button ??

[Flaming_Redhead]

I don't seem to suffer from diarrhea of the mouth when it comes to confessing to Daddy. In fact, I received my first punishment about a month ago, and I didn't confess the whole truth. I don't think I needed to, and I'll explain why.

I was supposed to make a phone call to follow up on some financial papers. I thought it was silly to call about them on Monday when I was told it would take 3-4 business days to receive them. I had planned on giving them 3 business days and then calling. Much to my dismay, when Daddy asked me about it, I had totally forgotten to make the call. I also didn't receive the forms I needed before my trip.

When I arrived, Daddy and I exchanged pleasantries and took my bag into his bedroom. He pulled my pants down and bent me over the bed where all of his toys were already laid out. I was happy and excited, thinking we were going to play, until he asked me if I remembered him telling me to do something. Unfortunately, there isn't a trap door built into the bed, and I was pinned in place. I gave the somewhat honest excuse that I just forgot to do it. There was no way in hell I was going to tell him that I didn't do it on purpose because I thought it was silly to call at the beginning of the week, especially since I did end up forgetting to do it later. He suggested that maybe I needed something to help me remember and proceeded to spank me. I usually enjoy spankings. Not so this time. In fact, I begged him to stop, and he didn't. He ignored my cries and continued until I was in tears and all hot and clammy from the pain. As I sniffled into the comforter, he lectured me on how disappointed he was, how things like this destroy trust and respect, and how I'd feel if he "forgot" to do something for me that I thought was important.

As I began to straighten myself up for dinner, which Daddy was cooking for me, he asked me if I was okay and whether or not I understood why I'd been punished. I understood perfectly that I deserved it, not so much for childish irresponsibility but for thinking I knew better than he did what needed to be done as well as how to do it and then failing. I was a smartass, and I was deeply ashamed of it. I ended up sobbing on his shoulder and telling him I was sorry. He stroked my hair and wiped my tears away then told me everything was okay and that he still loves me.

I don't think Daddy needed to hear the whole truth regarding that incident because I suspect he already knew. "I forgot" is such a flimsy excuse anyway and, as he pointed out, very disrespectful. It shows that my mind was not on the task and, therefore, not on pleasing him, which is my #1 priority. It's a lesson I won't "forget" anytime soon.

[ownedsubgirl10]

the TRUTH is telling the truth is going to get us punished but the punishment is way more harsh if they find out that we lied... its just somethin about a sub that makes them confess to a dominant that they have done wrong in some way its like in our minds we're thinkin hmmm maybe they will reward us or make a lighter punishment its all mental and plus i think most doms are psychic hehe

[Borgs_slave]

I tell Master everything to a fault. I don't want to keep anything from him. Better I tell him than he find out later.

[.x.Cole.x.]

Thrall... lol im so with you on this...i do this shit too and i feel like a dumbass afterwards... lol.

it sucks i know.... but the punishment part is the worst.. i am in your shoes quite a bit... lol...

[sassy75]

The worst part of being lied to is knowing you weren't worth the truth. This is something that I found somewhere and when I read it I cried for over an hour. My husband lied about every little thing. Petty things. It drove me nuts. Why did he lie? I have no clue. He says he doesn't know but it sure as hell told me I wasn't worth the truth. I try to be honest. Probably overly honest. I am missing that filter in my brain that says "hey don't say that it may hurt someone's feelers". I just fly off at the mouth and it well it's most likely why I chose sassy as my name

[enyssa]

HHmm......well maybe its not so much.....telling the truth..... because i do that


It's might be more along the lines ........of immediate confession.....

no...i didn't do this or that....

or worse....i did do this or that.....

Immediate confession....that's what I do....why? I really don't know...I'm actually on punishment this weekend because of it. It's funny, I'm not even sure if Master would have noticed one of my wrongs (2 mistakes on Friday).

The second one was such a small tiny thing and I went and confessed it.
I am fairly new to this lifestyle and this is the first time I really felt the sting of my Master's disappointment in me...it made me cry...that's the worst punishment....
( thanks for listening also, I needed to get that off my chest....no one to talk to *sigh* )

[MacGuffin]

The worst part of being lied to is knowing you weren't worth the truth.

I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

The worst lies are the lies we tell ourselves. We live in denial of what we do, even what we think. We do this because we’re afraid. We fear we will not find love, and when we find it we fear we’ll lose it. We fear that if we do not have love we will be unhappy. - Richard Bach

Sometimes men lie because they do not see the need to cause uneccesary hurt and sometimes because they fear the outcome of the truth.

I don't think we have to brutally open and honest all the time eg "Hows was your day today dear?" - "Great, I shagged my secretary and she's a real goer!". Yet lying or deceiving with a "I never had sex with that woman!" is equally not an option. Personally I try to shift the subject or answer truthfully but leave a different impression - "Don't ask me. You don't want to know!"