I beg you Sir to please not refrain from posting, your input is valued. Everyone is just very passionate about this issue, escpecially those of us that have suffered or are supporters of those that have suffered such abuse and we need all the help possible in combating it

I am sorry you didnt see how your post could be taken as a personal slander i do not wish to highlite it and cuase more division and alltough my husband has not read the post yet i am sure he will recognize you didnt mean to have it taken that way after reading your clarification.

You are both doing what you see is right in as best a way as possible.

Your words:
"I would have prefered he said it is all of our responsibilities to educate and defend each other. Incidentally I take the view that it is the moral obligation of the strong to defend the weak rather than it being the responsibility of the weak to defend themselves."

His words::
"The onius of responsibility ergo is layed at our own feet; to watch out for those that are not learned in the way and or too eager for their own good."

and as for the quote about having the subs take some self responsibility, well thats some tough love, sometimes we girls, especially the submissive inclined ones need on occasion for a push in the right direction so that we know it's ok to say no and defend ourselfs

The language may be different but you are both saying the same thing if you read his post more closely, however laconic his diction.

The following is a an idea thats full of good intentions and been tried by members in the past which is why i thanked the person that aggreed with it, yet it is not a solution to the problem. and ultimately led to "troll" hunts and the like which caused lots of problems

"If I were subbie and a Dom told me in whisper I was not a true submissive, I'd be inclined to reply in public "Are you telling me Sir Blackheart that if I don't fall to my knees and obey your every command that I'm not a true submissive?". Then lean back and smile as all the subbies in room sharpened their claws and ripped the guy to shreds."

It also is rife with other problems, especially if the "offender" is falsely accused and or publically embarressed in such fashion which is why we recommend the ignore key instead and reporting the log to staff as it has led to more than a few mishapes in the past where some members were over zealous.

and by mentioning other threads dealing with the issue i am in no way sugestiing this thread is redundant, if that was the case i would have said so and posted a link to the other thread, i was only highlighting that there is other information available and that the staff has done a great deal to try and combat this problem on numerous occassions.

What i would like to know is if anyone has a better idea? or a better possible solution?