Quote Originally Posted by cadence View Post
I failed to see what happens if the submissive becomes gravely ill because of misuse. .
I am gravely disturbed by this. God.



Quote Originally Posted by cadence View Post
If someone is not aware they are being abused or coherced into it, then I would say yes it is clearly abuse. There is no consent.
I think this happens to many, many in the Lifestyle. (Submissives and slaves I mean). Not being aware they are being abused, or even the fact that they think they deserve to be treated poorly.

They may believe they get off on it, when really...they don't know how to handle someone who truly loves them.



Quote Originally Posted by cadence View Post
he does not abuse it, nor does he push.
Humiliation is not an easy thing to understand, and for the people who do enjoy it they are fully aware of what they are participating in.
There have been times when I have been pushed to an emotional edge, but I know when enough is enough. He also knows when it's time to pull back.
Treating someone "very badly" and hurting someone emotionally in any way possible (or "whatever way he can") at every turn is something I consider abuse.

Perhaps my abuse meter is off, or perhaps I need to be more open about abuse being good for someone.

I can understand humiliation in play, but if the person truly believes I am piece of shit and treats me badly then that crosses the line into abuse. If I believe I am nothing but an piece of trash to be thrown away until he/she gets bored...then there is something wrong with not only myself for feeling that dispassionate about myself, but also with the other person who has no love for human feelings, nor caring if someone is hurt. (And I am not talking about physical hurt, or a moment of play for humiliation, I am talking about someone who damages another's mind and view their self...altering it in a way that makes them believe they are nothing and they don't matter in this world).

Which it sounds like in the article the person was doing. A person can refer to another as an object in play and believe it, then a person can refer to a person as an object in life...and believe it. There is a HUGE difference there.