Bush's Place in History.

[wmrs2]

Question, if Bush's Legacy was Great and is Considered by Some to have been a Great Prsident, and John McCain was going to follow in his footsteps Policy wise on most, not all but most issues, then why was McCain trounced last November in the elction? the elction was not even close

The answer is simple. But, it will not make you feel better. The liberal press elected Obama and the bad economy hurt the Republicans too. These facts do not make either candidate better but the liberals are now on the scales of judgment. Let's see if they can deliver better than their last representatives have delivered. Don't forget Congress is Democratic and has a historically low approval rating. Tell me, how are you fellers going to improve this image and legacy?

[mkemse]

The answer is simple. But, it will not make you feel better. The liberal press elected Obama and the bad economy hurt the Republicans too. These facts do not make either candidate better but the liberals are now on the scales of judgment. Let's see if they can deliver better than their last representatives have delivered. Don't forget Congress is Democratic and has a historically low approval rating. Tell me, how are you fellers going to improve this image and legacy?

!st Welcome back 2nd who Legacy & Image??

Interestingly enough I read a CBS Interview with William F Buckely Jr shortly before his death and he was asked what George Bush's Legacy would be, his reply "He won't have one, he didn't do anything worth having a Legacy For, intresting comment from an conservative lke Buckely, I was even shocked t read it
I might also add, his Son an ultra Conservative, more to the right of his Father said "I am voting For Obama, 8 years of Bush Policies is enough, even for me
So much for some well know Ulra Conservartives voting Republcan in 2008

Th Liberal Press did not elect him the voters of America elected him, voters vote based on what a Candidate stands for not on what the media says, i have a bunch of very conservative Repubublican friends who would never, ever vote Democratic but they all said "8 years of Bush Politics is enough, no I will not vote for McCain"

Lets see, remember Obama has only been in office 4 weeks can't do a whole lot in that time, NO President regardless of Party Afflitations can
The reality is upon reading many, many articles online is most political insiders and pundent say his real legacy won't be know for years to come

But as I said welcome back despte our differences plus we areway off the topic, sorry about that

[Thorne]

voters vote based on what a Candidate stands for not on what the media says

What world does this happen in? Certainly not this one!

Edit: I should point out that I am not impugning all voters. Certainly many people, perhaps even most, will vote their conscience and base their decisions on issues. But many voters, far too many in my opinion, will base their decisions on party lines and/or media bias, whether liberal or conservative. It's easier to believe that a celebrity/talkshow host/columnist is always right than it is to research the issues and come to your own decision.

[DuncanONeil]

"But many voters, far too many in my opinion, will base their decisions on party lines and/or media bias, whether liberal or conservative."

That is why those voters are referred to as the base. All campaigning is directed at those that are in the camp of undecided.

[Thorne]

All campaigning is directed at those that are in the camp of undecided.

Except they are not undecided! They decided months, years, decades ago that they were Republicans or Democrats and they will fight tooth and nail against anyone who tries to gainsay them. Facts mean nothing, statistics mean nothing, legality or illegality mean nothing. "If he's in my Party, he's right!"

[wmrs2]

Except they are not undecided! They decided months, years, decades ago that they were Republicans or Democrats and they will fight tooth and nail against anyone who tries to gainsay them. Facts mean nothing, statistics mean nothing, legality or illegality mean nothing. "If he's in my Party, he's right!"

It is unclear to whom you refer as I have seen both Dems and Reps behave in a very irrational manner. But slur them all; that way you get them all. What was pointed out about what Rush said, "But if" did not mean anything to many Dems who refuse to be fair in their judgment. The ignoring the facts is not the monopoly of any one party. I think that is the nature of politics and broad minded people will understand this, don't you agree?

[mkemse]

It is unclear to whom you refer as I have seen both Dems and Reps behave in a very irrational manner. But slur them all; that way you get them all. What was pointed out about what Rush said, "But if" did not mean anything to many Dems who refuse to be fair in their judgment. The ignoring the facts is not the monopoly of any one party. I think that is the nature of politics and broad minded people will understand this, don't you agree?

Very, Very true on the "What If", but Micheal Steele of RNC Chairmsan said last night on FOX News that Rush does not speak for the Republican Party as a whole, that he needs to as he put it "shut up" and he wants to try and distance the Party from Rush, the interviews was on one of the Fox News Channels last night, not a liberal netowrk at but Rush as said on his radio show countless time nothing ould make him happier thenl and to have the Obama Admistration fail completey so America can elect a REAL President, Ann Coulter supported him on this John MccAin said both are way out fo line and thei rremarks to do speak for him or most Republicians he knows

[Thorne]

It is unclear to whom you refer as I have seen both Dems and Reps behave in a very irrational manner. But slur them all; that way you get them all. What was pointed out about what Rush said, "But if" did not mean anything to many Dems who refuse to be fair in their judgment. The ignoring the facts is not the monopoly of any one party. I think that is the nature of politics and broad minded people will understand this, don't you agree?

I was not referring to any one party, but to all those people, of any party, any race, any religion, who will follow the pronouncements of some so-called celebrity as if they were gospel without bothering to check the facts for themselves.

Granted, there are variations within this broad group, some who are fanatical followers and some who are much less so.

As for what Rush said being taken out of context, I think fair-minded people would have to admit that he is the king of doing the very same thing. From the little that I have heard, or read, he will consistently twist people's words to fit his own ideology, and when that might prove difficult to do, he will expound pompously on "what this really means!"

And certainly, he is not alone in this, nor is it a strictly conservative, or liberal, failing. It's a valid, recognized propaganda technique, which works quite well with an undereducated population, and works even better with fanatical followers who wouldn't dream of questioning their glorious leaders.

[DuncanONeil]

Except they are not undecided! They decided months, years, decades ago that they were Republicans or Democrats and they will fight tooth and nail against anyone who tries to gainsay them. Facts mean nothing, statistics mean nothing, legality or illegality mean nothing. "If he's in my Party, he's right!"

Don't understand how you can say that. Each party clearly refers to their "base" that part of the electorate will vote that party, just like Libertarians vote Libertarian. The election revolves around those in the camp of "undecided" "In an election, there are "certain" or "lock" votes - voters who are solidly behind or partisan to a particular candidate and will not consider changing their minds whatever the opposition says.

Swing voters are undecided about how they will vote. They are sometimes referred to as undecideds or undecided voters, but floating voter is now the more common term used for this kind of voter.

In the United States, they may be dissatisfied Republicans or Democrats who are open to the idea of voting for other parties, or they could be people who have never had a strong affiliation with any political party, and will vote depending on certain things that influence them - e.g. healthcare, benefits, election campaign etc.

Some might be people who have never exercised their right to vote before, such as those just reaching voting age.

Because the votes of swing voters are considered to be "up for grabs", candidates direct a fair proportion of campaign effort towards them, although they must also be concerned with voter turnout among their political base."

"updated 11:06 a.m. CT, Wed., Sept. 24, 2008

WASHINGTON - Nearly a fifth of U.S. voters remain undecided about presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain, still unsure which man can put out the fire raging through the American financial marketplace and save them from an economic meltdown."

It is clear that this block of voters exists and is the focus of political campaigns.

[Belgarold]

The answer is simple. But, it will not make you feel better. The liberal press elected Obama and the bad economy hurt the Republicans too. These facts do not make either candidate better but the liberals are now on the scales of judgment. Let's see if they can deliver better than their last representatives have delivered. Don't forget Congress is Democratic and has a historically low approval rating. Tell me, how are you fellers going to improve this image and legacy?

I think it is amazingly hypocritical that Republicans tend to forget they ahd the Congress for six of Bush's administration and the Democratic Party was not in major control of either the House or Senate. It is amusing that the GOP has such little faith in the intelligence of the American Public that they think we don't notice that it was Republicans that took the budget surplus and built a bigger government than Clinton had.

It was a Republican Congress that built in so much Pork and earmarks and let corporations write legislation of their own companies.

But the polls should show these corrupt politicians that they can't get away with their lies anymore. The public is behind the President. And Congress, Democratic AND Republican is at an all-time low. You can't fool all the people all the time as the GOP believes.

[DuncanONeil]

I do believe that the Dems had enough votes to prevent closure. Which power they used regularly and repeatedly to obstruct. Precisely because they did not have the power.