[QUOTE=denuseri;852796]I think what I am saying is:

That water boarding is in fact torture. Just as its been defined as such by not only our own military for the longest time, but the world and that ones skin color shouldn't matter a hill of beans weather its ok to do or not. Its wrong, plain and simple.

And when it comes to "intel" and water boarding or any other form of torture even those types of torture most recently re-classified as "enhanced interogation" : the ends of its use most certianly do not justify the means under ANY circumstances.

It goes against everything our country stands for.

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That the ends justify the means?
NO!


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That is ok to torture people so long as one redefines what torture is?
Not "redefine" but "define"


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What are you who support it saying?

For me at least it is wrong to presume I support torture. I do not!


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That its not wrong?
Torture is, but then again we still have the problem of the definition.


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What?
Basically the discussion here is not really about torture vs no torture. But a discussion of what the h*** qualifies as torture. Therein lies the rub. Some say that putting a prisoner in sack cloth and blindfold on a raised platform holding some weight outstretched is torture. Some would call it Basic Training.

Help at all?