Church, Politics and State Education Systems

[denuseri]

Alas copy and paste is such a nice thing, next time to make it easier I wont type within the brackets when I quote you and I will pull each section seperately so you can formulate a responce better. Ok?

and again:

I am not bringing the above points of my own up about the Civil War/Lincoln Administration's well documanted statements for the pupposes of refuting your veracity in and of itself so much as to make my point about how history can be very objective as opposed to subjective depending upon how its presented as in the examples you and I both have now provided.

In fact I don't believe there exists any subject material that cannot be approached objectively if one is willing to take the time to do so.

To actual debate the purposes of the Civil war or Lincoln's Administration or any other topic that may hold potential for debate or contention not directly related to this threads topic:

I would suggest; as opposed to a side bar here where it may take over or derail the thread, that we make a new thread if you like where we can go into as much detail as you desire or take it up in private message notifications at your liesure.

[SadisticNature]

Alas copy and paste is such a nice thing, next time to make it easier I wont type within the brackets when I quote you and I will pull each section seperately so you can formulate a responce better. Ok?

and again:

I am not bringing the above points of my own up about the Civil War/Lincoln Administration's well documanted statements for the pupposes of refuting your veracity in and of itself so much as to make my point about how history can be very objective as opposed to subjective depending upon how its presented as in the examples you and I both have now provided.

In fact I don't believe there exists any subject material that cannot be approached objectively if one is willing to take the time to do so.

To actual debate the purposes of the Civil war or Lincoln's Administration or any other topic that may hold potential for debate or contention not directly related to this threads topic:

I would suggest; as opposed to a side bar here where it may take over or derail the thread, that we make a new thread if you like where we can go into as much detail as you desire or take it up in private message notifications at your liesure.

This sounds fine.

I still think history has a lot of subjective content that can be made somewhat objective, or taught somewhat objectively, but at the end of the day the conclusions drawn from the material are very subjective for many subjects.

Perhaps coming from the sciences biases me, but my view of an objective subject is a subject where there are clear right and wrong answers based on the material, and any hypothesis can be verified or refuted, through either experiment or application of known rules. Examples would include Mathematics, physics, biology, chemistry, computer science and statistics. High school economics and accounting would also qualify as its pretty much a system of rules at that point.

My view of a subjective subject where one can consistently show evidence for a statement and its converse despite having an abundance of information.