Quote Originally Posted by denuseri View Post
Both are still beliefs all the same.
And here is where we seem to disagree. They are NOT both beliefs. Just like KNOWING that the Earth is round is not a belief. Just like KNOWING that the planets revolve around the Sun is not a belief.

Faith and belief do not nessesarally = ashereance to any religious doctrine.
I didn't say anything about religious doctrine, only religious overtones.

Show me good and proper evidence that there are no gods or a god and perhaps I will renounce my own beliefs conserning this topic. See the catch 22 yet?
The only evidence is negative, a lack of evidence. EVERY action or event ever attributed to a god has been shown to have a natural explanation: lightning, earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, disease. All of these, and so much more, were once claimed to be judgements from gods. And every time they were shown to be natural events, theists retreated to some other event of as-yet-unknown cause. Even so-called demonic possessions have been shown to be mental illnesses, made worse by theistic treatments of shunning and prayer rather than medicine. NO explanations/excuses for gods have ever been shown to have any basis in fact. But you will just retreat into "supernatural", "beyond science", "unable to be understood by human minds" excuses. People nowadays tend to forget that at one time the gods were quite personal, having almost daily interactions with their disciples, causing all kinds of miraculous events for all to see. Where are those gods now?

So your willing to conclude that atheism is just as much a fairy tale?
Here again, you are implying that atheism is something more than a simple statement of non-belief. There are no stories of magical creations, no walking on water, no miracles. Just four simple words: "I do not believe." That's it.

You will note no where in the definition of a fairy tale does the word religion come into play.
No, but the word "belief" does! Can you define a religion WITHOUT belief? A religion is just a codification of beliefs, an organizing of people with common beliefs into a community.

Still wonder why making analogies of that kind are insulting?
No, I know why it's insulting. Whenever you poke fun at someone's beliefs they tend to get a bit touchy. Especially when they have nothing to support those beliefs other than "it feels good to me."

So let me ask you this. Assuming that you don't accept the ancient Roman, Greek and Egyptian religions as being true (or perhaps, even if you do), can you honestly claim that the stories of those ancient gods and goddesses are anything more than myths and fairy tales? And if not, how are your own beliefs any different?