OK at the risk of getting bombarded again I want to post a question or maybe questions depending on how you look at this thread.

I have been told that submissives will make mistakes and they can’t help making them. This I have no problem believing, everyone makes mistakes. With these mistakes that have been made they know there will be a punishment to follow; sometimes it is a severe punishment in my estimation.

I have also been told that you can’t be analytical in your thinking when it comes to affairs relating to D/s and specifically to tasks assigned to a submissive when they decide to not follow the rules of that task.

I’ve been told that when you are asked to get to the edge every hour for 12 hours you can’t help but disobey, I took it to mean she had no choice but to disobey an order to not cum. I really don’t know what else the statement could have meant, but again, I could be wrong in my assumption.

Now here is where my question comes in and it is only a question and in no way meant to be suggesting or implying any derogatory comment against anyone who makes these “mistakes.” Maybe I need a little more explanation before I ask the question.

I guess with my background and no real experience at being a submissive, I find it very difficult to believe that any subject can’t be analyzed and thought through to some type of conclusion. I also think that if a sub continually is punished for breaking the rules set down by their Top then they may, at least subconsciously, enjoy being punished though they profess vehemently this is not the case. I know I have already been told I’m crazy (maybe not in so many words but still crazy) to believe this but it is my opinion.

I am not saying that being in the same situation as some of these subs were in when a rule was broken that I would not have done the same thing. Hell I probably would not have lasted any where near as long as many of them did before they broke the rule that brought them punishment.

All this being said, what my believe is, is that at the point of breaking the rule I say the sub has still made a conscious decision to go for the instant gratification and also at that same point made a conscious decision to suffer whatever the punishment may be, knowing full well there will be punishment.

I am told it is the worst feeling in the world to let your Dom/Domme down or disappoint them. So in my way of thinking, since I believe everything can and is analyzed, why are the rules broken? I’m only looking for an explanation I can understand and that does not require me to think it all is based on instant gratification even knowing and understanding how overpowering those feelings can be. If you really want to obey your Dom/Domme I believe it is possible, at least most of the time, to do so.

You may believe you are learning by your mistakes and maybe I’ll buy that but why is it so difficult to obey if you really want to? Does anyone truly believe it is not a conscious decision to break the rule? Am I missing the influence of “sub space” here, which I admit I totally do not have any comprehension of but thought that the sub had to be with their Top for this to occur? That was never even suggested but I am trying to figure this out and want to give all benefit of doubt to the sub and why they broke the rule set down for them.

I don’t want to get into an argument over this so I may just sit back a read the responses without replying but know I am reading them and trying to learn from this thread.

Please don’t think I am being condescending. I am not in the least.