Equality?

[DuncanONeil]

I am unable to agree with you. That thing we receive at no cost to ourselves is not valued.
That's rather a sweeping statement. I value love, oxygen and nature but did not work or pay for them. I know what you are saying but this is another one of those proverb type statements which have some truth but are not entirely valid.

The last sentence is quite true. But one must always analyze "proverbs". In the sense we are speaking neither oxygen nor nature are "given" to you. Love is a very unique entity. As a monopole construct it is nearly worthless and often frustrating. To be truly effective it must be given away, to be returned. And as that dipole construct it gains its true measure of value.

I have seen this personally. There exist scholarships that are available without biased requirements. More a reward for service rendered. More along the lines of deferred compensation. But you did work for it!
I do not know the american scholarship system and am also unsure if I understand your point correctly. Personally I do not think the principle - you only get what you work for - is the only principle at work. Often the benefits we received are not the fruits of our labor but the legacy of our parents. I had a good education but did not work for it in the sense you may be implying. The result of that education is an awareness of obligations and my duty to give to my children the same or better than what I received. I do not teach my kid he has to do this to get that. I teach him we do this because it is the right thing to do, it is our way, it is what makes us who we are.

In some respects that is correct. I suppose I was mostly considering the last eight years of school. I did consider the cost issue. I worked in the high school to pay a portion of my tuition. I worked in college as well, though many of us do. My scholarship was a result of taking a specific job that if I completed the job I earned a set sum to assist with college.
But back to elementary school, all school actually, if you do not work and apply yourself as a student everything is wasted. The learning is not a total washout but we do graduate students from high school that can not read.

Let's not forget the country benefits from education. and the government is repaid with the higher taxes paid on the higher wages the educated get. The Chinese work bloody hard but China is poorer than USA. The better education in America creates better skilled workers who create better technologies which increase national wealth. The tax the government receives from it's higher paid better skilled workforce is more than from poorly educated and low paid Chinese. I believe education should be free for all. It is not a cost, it is an investment and a bloody good one at that.

First, there is no way that education can be free. Here education is not within the authority of the Congress. They should not be involved! Yes education is an investment. An investment in the future. But not for the nation, that is a corollary. Education is an investment in self! Perhaps in your statement it is true that America has a better education, but in my estimation the education in America sucks!

The concept you present of a company head and professionals is apples and oranges.
I agree. Steelish introduced the climb up the corporate ladder point. I moved focus away because the number of people who succeed without education is small compared to the people for whom it would be impossible to succeed without education. The apples dont matter compared to the oranges.

Yes few make it to the top. That is because there are FEW at the top. The difference between having an idea, a good work ethic, and drive to build a company and becoming a doctor or a lawyer are different tracks. To equate them is to diminish humanity a bit I might think. Or it presents an overdependence on formal education to provide all the answers.

PS - I think povery can be defined in terms on the minimum needed to live ie shelter, food, health etc. The country must provide this minimum life support no matter how undeserving the recipients may be. Above that minimum - okay that's a different kettle of apples.

Did you see the posting regarding the standard of living of the "poor" in the USA?