Submissive and Feminist

[fantassy]

Those were not radical feminists, the radical feminists are the ones who push the cause into extreme, and there is nothing extreme about wanting equality, there is an extreme in wanting superiority. Like Comparing Martin Luther King to the Black Panthers here, one espouses equality through compassion, and the other is preaching superiority through hate.

You don't think Martin Luther King, Jr. was pushing the cause into extreme? Boycotts? Marches? Passive resistence? He could have preached compassion until he was blue in the face and would have achieved nothing if he hadn't organized action. Believe me, the Southern Conservative White Men perceived MLK, Jr. as a radical. Most feminists do not hate men - they just hate the way some men use the system against women.

fantassy

fantassy

[star_catcher77]

You don't think Martin Luther King, Jr. was pushing the cause into extreme? Boycotts? Marches? Passive resistence? He could have preached compassion until he was blue in the face and would have achieved nothing if he hadn't organized action. Believe me, the Southern Conservative White Men perceived MLK, Jr. as a radical. Most feminists do not hate men - they just hate the way some men use the system against women.

fantassy

fantassy

no, martin luther king jr. was not at all extreme. He had the right idea, and was pretty damn smart. Extreme would be, as vampyres said, the black panthers or even Malcolm X (yeah, I'll go there). Martin Luther King also practiced in a way that tried to get things across to both sides of the arguments; the blacks AND the whites. His vision was for both to live in harmony, and it worked. along with african americans, a lot of white people showed up for his talks and a lot of them liked what he had to say.

with radical feminism, they're not appealing to both sides; only to other radicals. I may be young, but I can clearly see the world around me. I havn't suffered gender discrimination, but i have suffered discrimination of other sorts, and I can safely say that I understand the way in which that works, and ways to remedy it. In my own little personal movement against sexual orientation discrimination, I've witnessed the current efforts being made in it, and it's so obvious to me how they're going about it totally the wrong way. Much of the same applies to feminism as well.

@vampyre: I totally agree, it's all about the requirements for the job. unfortunately, the real world doesn't seem to like working that way

[vampyres{ID}]

You don't think Martin Luther King, Jr. was pushing the cause into extreme? Boycotts? Marches? Passive resistence? He could have preached compassion until he was blue in the face and would have achieved nothing if he hadn't organized action. Believe me, the Southern Conservative White Men perceived MLK, Jr. as a radical. Most feminists do not hate men - they just hate the way some men use the system against women.

fantassy

fantassy

There is Nothing Extreme about peaceful protests sorry, this is after all America where that is one of our rights (Unless you consider being an American pretty extreme, one of those little things along with freedom of Speech we have) Militant Feminists are hatefull and are just as bad as the Black Panthers, and the KKK, if you haven't caught these ones here are some quotes for you (I dunno sounds like hate Speech to me) These are the Feminists of today, this is their goals of today, and this is why I refuse to call myself a feminist, I will not be party to this nonsense.

"Marriage is an institution developed from rape as a practice."
"The penis must embody the violence of the male in order for him to be male. Violence is male; the male is the penis; violence is the penis..."
Andrea Dworkin, Pornography

"Men's need to dominate women may be based in their own sense of marginality or emptiness."
"While men strut and fret their hour upon the stage, shout in bars and sports arenas, thump their chests or show their profiles in the legislatures, and explode incredible weapons in an endless contest for status, an obsessive quest for symbolic 'proof' of their superiority, women quietly keep the world going."
"He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women, whether mate, acquaintance, or stranger; he can rape or sexually molest his daughters, nieces, stepchildren, or the children of a woman he claims to love. The vast majority of men in the world do one or more of the above."
Marilyn French, the War Against Women

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it."
Barbara Jordan

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience."
Catherine Comin

"Men's sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can 'reach WITHIN women to f%*k/construct us from the inside out.' Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women's own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, 'even if she does not feel forced.'"
"I feel what they feel: man-hating, that volatile admixture of pity, contempt, disgust, envy, alienation, fear, and rage at men. It is hatred not only for the anonymous man who makes sucking noises on the street, not only for the rapist or the judge who acquits him, but for what the Greeks called philo-aphilos, 'hate in love,' for the men women share their lives with--husbands, lovers, friends, fathers, brothers, sons, coworkers."
Judith Levine

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex."
"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo."
Valerie Solanas

"The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness...can be trained to do most things."
Jilly Cooper

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."
Robin Morgan

"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference."
Susan Griffin

"MALE:...represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants...the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female."
"MAN:...an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs to be watched...a contradictory baby-man..."
'A feminist Dictionary', ed. Kramarae and Triechler

"In general, most men are really selfish. They see only one side of the story. Most women have the ability to see two sides of things...I think I am superior to all men. I think women are superior to men but society doesn't allow them to feel that way. I think most women feel subservient to men. Women really do have all the brains and all the power."
Joanna Angel

[fantassy]

I'm not saying MLK's methods and speeches were bad or wrong , or would even be considered extreme in today's society. But at that time in history, in those circumstances, they were considered radical and extreme. He wasn't assassinated because he was mainstream.

But I'll shut up for now. I've highjacked this thread for long enough.

fantassy