A Questioning Need

[tessa]

I'll start off with my initial reaction to all the ideas and insights that have been presented...wow! I've read through these all a few times now. I am a bit overwhelmed at the time and thought put into it what's been said here.

Masterdarkone2000 - "I have read your story and I am glad that you had the courage to share this with the group. I know you feel like its a problem but it really isn't. You are jut breaking out of your shell that you have lived in and are now exploring. Its fine and you are not a problem."

It really wasn't courage, it is pretty much pathetic desperation, but I am trying to compose myself. The advice I am getting here helps a bunch! Thanks, Masterdarkone, for telling me I'm not the problem, just that I'm experiencing growing pains. I'll remind myself that you said that on one of those not so great days that happen now and again.

Rhabbi - "I have a slightly differant perspective that I would like to share withe you. I belong to a couple of Christain D/s groups that discuss this type of thing quite often. Culturally we have been taught that women are equal to men. (Please not, I do not want to debate this point, I am just trying to answer a question.)"

Not so different, not for me anyway as this is the perspective with which I tend to view things. And on the topic of equality...wouldn't dream of debating that point, as it's pretty much solid truth for me.

Rhabbi - "When you and your husband decided to enter into the D/s life neither of you truly understood the consequences on the rest of your life, especially in the presence of children. In your case the problem is compounded because your husband is more or less at the same stage you are, and does not yet feel comfortable exercising his Domness (Is that a word? If not, why not?) and will make mistakes. He was not wrong in helping you with the mess, at least not in my opinion, but he was wrong in not disciplining you for your anger. "

I don't understand much about D/s or parenting, so yeah, a bit adrift in all this. My husband's "Domness" (if it isn't a word, it should be) is my focus as that's also my goal. The mess was just a happenstance. It could have been anything going on. The issue for me still revolves around my action and his reaction. I will share with him your ideas on punishment. He is still trying to wrap his brain around that concept. Thank you so very much for your advice, Rhabbi!

Tom, Tom, Tom...so much to take in from your words. Where shall I start?

Seriously. If you stick to that guy it's going to be a long and bumpy ride. When it comes to sex it's always best to learn with an expert and both of you are pretty new to this. Being a good Master is extremly hard, (or maybe I just suck at it becuase it took me about 10 years). It's about making your submissive flower in her submissivenes. It's about making her happy. That requires a vast insight into how subs/women/people function. That'll take years to develop. And in my humble opinion best learned by sleeping around with a lot of women.

I am sure you didn't "suck" at it. It is terribly difficult to figure all this out, for both of us. We are going to have to be insightful for each other, I believe. And I am going to stick with him. He is the perfect man for me. Maybe I am a bit greedy for wanting him to be the perfect-for-me Dominant as well, but it won't keep me from working at this with him. Learning with an expert just might be the ticket to our paradise. I'll give him your idea. I have to say that while I'm not so keen on the idea of my husband sleeping around with a lot of women (even for the reason of learning more), for myself, I am quite intrigued by it. That expert doesn't necessarily have to be male, I wouldn't think. My, the images that idea has spawned.

and my slaves input is that being with a beginner Master probably means a lot of suffering for you. Her advice is to slowly introduce slave rules. A little at a time and talk a lot about them all the time. Jumping straight into 24/7 will just lead to confusion. Another thing about the rules is: they can't just be random rules. It must be something that he always have wanted somebody to do for him. Something that makes him horny. Not just things he's just too lazy to do himself. I love her. She's so smart.

I have pretty much decided to suffer for the cause. It just might lead to a better kind of suffering later on. You are one fortunate Master! She is indeed very smart. I'm loving her pretty much all up right now, too. Please pass along my sincere appreciation to her for her advice. And my deepest thanks to you, Tom, for focusing your Dominant mind in my direction. Your insight, as always, rings so very true for me.

And ID, I am heartsick for you and what you are going through. I do not in any way think your words of advice any less valid than the others. And while I wish you weren't having to deal with this, your insight in many ways, is a bit more poignant for me because of your loss. You of all people know just how difficult managing and maintaining a D/s life can be, even when it is pretty much what both people desire.

From a dominants point of view, and from a point of view that this type of behavior is one I actually avoid, rather than confront. I can understand why he didn't respond. However it also depends on how you react to being confronted. When upset like you were, if he had confronted you, would you have backed down, or would you have gotten more angry and let it escalate into a verbal fighting match? If you are the type of person who would have backed down, and he knows this. Then yes, I can understand your frustration. If you are the kind of person not to back down. Then I understand why he did nothing.

You pretty much nailed it dead center with this. He isn't the confrontational type, but he also knows very well that I will back down instantly in the face of his Dominance. For years, when we knew even less than the little we know now, I was very diligent in responding submissively to any show of a Dominant spirit my husband flashed at me. Still am diligent about it, though I relapse into "bitch mode" occasionally. And lately, we've discussed that very topic quite openly. So that situation in the kitchen frustrated us both. Despite our recent conversations, he didn't want to confront my behavior and was confused by it. I was upset that I acted that way in the first place AND that he did nothing to correct it. I've said it before...it'd be laughable if I could be less serious about it.

As to what it means for your relationship. Working on your verbal training would probably be a good place to start. Using Sir/Master at the beginning or ending of sentences for instance. Asking for permission to eat or leave the table when done eating, asking for permission to smoke or use the bathroom. Relearn your submission and be trained on how to speak, since this was the area that you had a problem in. Learning how to ask for something in a submissive form of speech would be what you should work on.

My thanks for putting these very doable suggestions out there for us to use. It makes such wonderful sense to me! And my most sincere gratitude for using the circumstances in your life to show me how to better deal with mine. That is a very special thing to do, ID.

Again, wow! I am most thankful for all the insight!

tessa

[TomOfSweden]

That expert doesn't necessarily have to be male, I wouldn't think. My, the images that idea has spawned.

Off course not. I'm no sexist. Slavery is also an art.

[Rhabbi]

Learning with an expert just might be the ticket to our paradise. I'll give him your idea. I have to say that while I'm not so keen on the idea of my husband sleeping around with a lot of women (even for the reason of learning more), for myself, I am quite intrigued by it. That expert doesn't necessarily have to be male, I wouldn't think. My, the images that idea has spawned.

A common misconception is that BDSM play has to be about sex. Sex is nice, but trust is important to, and if someone insists on sex as a part of play you should avoid them. You will learn this as you become more familiar with the lifestyle.

As for guidance, or mentoring, that is probably a good idea, discuss all aspects of it, and see if you are comfortable with it in R/l. If not, just ask around here, we are more than willing to help.

[TomOfSweden]

A common misconception is that BDSM play has to be about sex. Sex is nice, but trust is important to, and if someone insists on sex as a part of play you should avoid them. You will learn this as you become more familiar with the lifestyle.

As for guidance, or mentoring, that is probably a good idea, discuss all aspects of it, and see if you are comfortable with it in R/l. If not, just ask around here, we are more than willing to help.

I meant it as a good way on learning human behaviour. A way to learn being a better person. Because, well....it was my school. It worked for me. I learned humility and to listen. I learned how to be greedy and violent and still have her begging for more. I killed off all my missconceptions of what it meant being submissive, and opened my mind to ignoring the "rules". Just because something worked for me doesn't have to mean that it will necesarily work for anybody else. There's plenty of guys who've screwed around a lot who haven't a clue. I didn't mean it as a fun game part of a BDSM relationship. It may be great. Both exciting and fun but it wasn't what I meant. It could just as well do a lot of damage, (but you don't need me to tell you that).

Fucking an experienced slave is off-course a fast track into it, but they're elusive creatures who shy away from beginner Masters, (for good reason he he).

edit: Even though it sounds very contradictory, considering I hang out here a lot. I belive theory on BDSM can't get you very far. First hand experience is required for any of the theory to make any sense. Again, this is me using myself as a reference. It may be that I'm not as quick as the rest of you but I would need personal guidance as well

[tessa]

Because, well....it was my school. It worked for me. I learned humility and to listen. I learned how to be greedy and violent and still have her begging for more. I killed off all my missconceptions of what it meant being submissive, and opened my mind to ignoring the "rules". Just because something worked for me doesn't have to mean that it will necesarily work for anybody else. First hand experience is required for any of the theory to make any sense. Again, this is me using myself as a reference.

Tom, what you have experienced and learned for yourself is exactly the type information I was hoping for when I posed this question in the first place. I can take all the pieces put out there and assimilate them into a working construct that will assist my husband and I in learning more and more...and more, hopefully. So again, thank you. What you offered up as advice and insight is quite a valuable resource for me.

As for guidance, or mentoring, that is probably a good idea

I agree, Rhabbi. My focus here isn't about ways to have better kinky sex. We already have a good bit of that. And what a grand secondary, but not my main objective. Nor my husband's. That's why Tom's advice to seek the input of an expert made perfect sense to me. Receiving guidance from someone who already has a working knowledge of the BDSM process would be a damn good resource as well.

It may be that I'm not as quick as the rest of you but I would need personal guidance as well

Your sense of humor just cracks me up, Tom. I'm still wiping away the laugh-y tears.

[Rhabbi]

Even though it sounds very contradictory, considering I hang out here a lot. I belive theory on BDSM can't get you very far. First hand experience is required for any of the theory to make any sense. Again, this is me using myself as a reference. It may be that I'm not as quick as the rest of you but I would need personal guidance as well

Tom,

We all need practical experience and mentoring. At least I did. When I first started I made horrendous mistakes, now I just make mistakes.