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Rhabbi Evolution: Science or... 03-12-2007, 03:30 PM
_ID_ Didn't really see a question... 03-12-2007, 04:07 PM
Rhabbi My apologies for the lack of... 03-13-2007, 03:47 PM
Rhabbi Thermodynamics 03-13-2007, 04:02 PM
TomOfSweden He he. In rhetoric you are... 03-15-2007, 09:01 AM
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TomOfSweden That's hardly the case is it.... 03-14-2007, 09:08 AM
Rhabbi [QUOTE=TomOfSweden;256774]That... 03-14-2007, 03:50 PM
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Rhabbi Now there is a perfect... 03-15-2007, 04:17 PM
TomOfSweden It's not circular. Evolution... 03-16-2007, 03:02 AM
Rhabbi Then explain to me what the... 03-16-2007, 01:27 PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhabbi View Post
    Sort of random?
    Don't weasel your way out of it. Evolution isn't random and the mutations of genes is limited to modifications of it's base pairs. There's physical limits to what's possible. So it's not totaly random. Since we don't know what all genes do we can't say in what way they aren't random. We can just make that statement.

    To make it simple
    Evolution = not random
    Genetic mutations = sort of random

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhabbi View Post
    We apparently share DNA with more than just monkeys. but as we do not fully understand the encoding process that DNA uses I am not as confident about those numbers as some others seem to be. I still have problems with the way they usee DNA in leagla cases, and would not be surprised to see that future knowledge throwing out some of the current assumptions about numbers.
    I'm sorry. I might be missing something. But I don't understand how this is relevant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhabbi View Post
    Evolution is all we have because no one wants to look at the alternatives for fear of being ridiculed.
    You've got to be kidding. It's the oposite situation. In the west evolutionists have been fighting midieval christian superstition for over a century now. In spite of the christians having nothing but fairytales, extrapolations from arguments from ignorance and strictly theoretical mathematical models.

    There's been more money put into proving the Bible and christian god than any other field of study in the world. No other area is even close. You making that claim isn't even funny. It's ignorant to the extreme. Isaac Newtons complete catalogue of articles are without exception only about proving gods existance. It's not from lack of trying or funding. There's just a lack of results.

    The theory of evolution came at the same time as Nietschze denied god openly. This instantly become a symbolic issue for the christian comunity. And today it's only the religious fundamentalists who cling to the idea of creation. Only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhabbi View Post
    I do not have to present an alternative, my point in this thread is that evolution falls short as science. The fact that I do not have an explanation does not make evolution true.
    No, it doesn't. You've floated a theory about that speciasation doesn't occur spontaneously in nature which I've yet to find any credible source agreeing with. It seems to be some religious objection, which the scientific comunity doesn't seem to aknowledge as a problem.

    A geographically limited group of creatures will constantly mutate and evolve. Ever so slightly, a little at a time. This much I know we can prove. In time they will differ so much from their original group that their genes are incompatible. I don't get what's not to understand? It takes so long and is so gradual that it may very well be, that it hasn't been seen in a laboratory. But that's not a argument against the theory. We know how mutations occur and we know they can become stable. From this we can extrapolate. Where's the holes in it?

    We didn't see the big bang either. Good luck denying that one.
    Last edited by TomOfSweden; 03-20-2007 at 08:54 AM.

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