How much the mid east loves us

[Stone]

I am meerly pointing the fact that all these countries vote adgainst us but gee they sure seem to be able to hold out their hands and take the money dont they?I work hard pay my taxes all the things i am supposed to do yet my hard earned money is paying for bullshit like this,Countries that want our moeny thats for sure. all i can say is we need to get out of the UN let the rest of the countries pay for it if they want it and tax their citizens to give other coutries free money.I as an american am tired of all the giving we do for other countries we give money, the lives of our young men, food,and medicine to countries that hate us,but we they need help money or a police force here we come running.

[tessa]

Can statistics be retarded? Hmm, I don't think so.

Believe it or not, ejaculation can be retarded, but not statistics.

[gloombunny]

I dunno about "retarded", exactly, but statistics can most certainly be pointless, irrelevant, or deceitful.

And that's even assuming that they're true.

[tessa]

I dunno about "retarded", exactly, but statistics can most certainly be pointless, irrelevant, or deceitful.

And that's even assuming that they're true.

Even truth, whatever that is, can be pointless or irrelevent, depending on how one chooses to view it.

I just think it's important to respect that we all have the option to have our own personal opinions, whether one agrees with them or not.

[TomOfSweden]

Even truth, whatever that is, can be pointless or irrelevent, depending on how one chooses to view it.

I just think it's important to respect that we all have the option to have our own personal opinions, whether one agrees with them or not.

It's not a question of respecting someones opinion, is a question of causality. MasterStone drew some remarkable conclusions from statistics that in my opinion are just plain false. I'd very much like to know if, in light of my revalation of the democratic process, he now feels that he can still draw the same conclusions he did. There's more issues I've got, but this is a start.

I'm sure I'm not hurting MasterStones feelings. I'm assuming that he posted this in order for there to be a discussion. Which is what I'm doing.

[tessa]

MasterStone drew some remarkable conclusions from statistics that in my opinion are just plain false.

Ok, to you they are false. To Master Stone, maybe not. The only "truth" to be had here, or most anywhere for that matter, is one's own perspective. That's the only "truth" one can ultimately believe.

I'm sure I'm not hurting MasterStones feelings. I'm assuming that he posted this in order for there to be a discussion. Which is what I'm doing.

I'm sure you aren't hurting his feelings either, Tom. And discussion is great! You contribute quite a lot to the Forums by way of discussion. Discussion is what this place is all about. Qualifying someone's posted information as "retarded" and "meaningless", however, is not. Just a thought.

[TomOfSweden]

Ok, to you they are false. To Master Stone, maybe not. The only "truth" to be had here, or most anywhere for that matter, is one's own perspective. That's the only "truth" one can ultimately believe.

In this case I see it more like a maths class. You sit around trying to solve a puzzle and somebody comes up with a solution and everybody is really happy and there seems to be a correlation between all the variables. And then some kill-joy comes along and points out a flaw that messes up the whole equasion. And no way with this new information can you go back to the original solution because now you know in your head why it doesn't work.

Here's what we got. We've got a theory that most people in the mid-east hates USA. Not very surprising since the US administration aren't very clever at foreign policy. It may or may not be true, since all we know of it is filtered through sensationalist media. As are the muslims view of the west.

Master Stone presents evidence of this but which at closer inspection didn't hold water. I'm not saying the middle-easterns loves USA. I'm just saying that the evidence produced by Master Stone doesn't suport his hypothesis. Sure, it's down to perspective in the sense that that it's about understanding how representative democracy works.

I'm sure you aren't hurting his feelings either, Tom. And discussion is great! You contribute quite a lot to the Forums by way of discussion. Discussion is what this place is all about. Qualifying someone's posted information as "retarded" and "meaningless", however, is not. Just a thought.

ok. You got me. Sorry for not being nice here on the forum. I get carried away sometimes. Sorry Master Stone. You didn't deserve that.

[TomOfSweden]

I am meerly pointing the fact that all these countries vote adgainst us but gee they sure seem to be able to hold out their hands and take the money dont they?I work hard pay my taxes all the things i am supposed to do yet my hard earned money is paying for bullshit like this,Countries that want our moeny thats for sure. all i can say is we need to get out of the UN let the rest of the countries pay for it if they want it and tax their citizens to give other coutries free money.I as an american am tired of all the giving we do for other countries we give money, the lives of our young men, food,and medicine to countries that hate us,but we they need help money or a police force here we come running.

No, you are turning UN politics into a popularity contest. Some kind of pageant. Those voting number are meaningless. They don't reflect what they where voting about or the opinions of the people in those countries. They only reflect tactical voting by one representative for each country. From this we can deduce nothing at all. Not even if they like USA or not.