Global Warming/Climate Change

[TomOfSweden]

A strong correlation. We know the "global warming effect" exists, greenhouse gases are responsible for it. If we did not pump a lot of that stuff into the atmosphere that "natural warming" wouldnt happen. The ozon layer is an entirely different problem. Again, the atmosphere is very thin, contratry to what we would like to believe. To say we have no impact after pumping crap for decades into the air in the volumes of tons, is just plain denial.

You didn't read the causality article I linked to did you? Correlation does not imply causality. Here's another article that's easier to understand. It's one of the lamest and most overly abused rhetoric tricks in the world. And it's never been true.

It equals out to, we don't impact the water quality by pumping waste into rivers, we dont influence wildlife by paving roads across the planet and that we dont do a very long list of awful things because of all the garbage we are mostly dumping in the worst possible ways imaginable. Causality is not an excuse to deny whats right in front of your face.

First off. It's mostly large mamals we're killing off. All other species is doing great. Rats and insects have never had it better. Environmentalists have this bad habit of equating animal with cute and furry while anything that looks icky is dispensable. I really hate that attitude. Insects have feeling to

Considerering the majority of scientists (everyone who is not paid by the big companies that are currently polluting the world like crazy or simply getting richer by the day from it) agree that CO2 is the cause and that humanity is responsible for it, what do you say to something like that?

That's the lamest conspiracy theorist garbage I've ever read. I doubt you can find the name of a single scientist paid big major corporations to fight environmentalists. Science is science no matter who pays for it. A scientific finding is no less true no matter who pays for it. If the numbers work then it's scientific truth.

I mean sure, they change their minds, but thats just good thinking. You test, you study and if you get different results or insights, you change your mind to reflect what you learned. If you have ever had any touching expierences with academia, you will know its almost impossible to get those guys to agree on anything. That they can agree on something like that is either a miracle or simply a pretty gruesome truth.

From this paragraph, I'm guessing your main source of scientific info is popular press. It's just not true. Scientists agree on lots of stuff. All scientists agree that's there's a correlation between globol temperatures and CO2. What they disagree on is the conclusions we can draw from this. The press only focuses on the things where they disagree, (off course, it's their job). But it's only a minute part of all research.

Gore's electrical bill is no argument, just a fact. Want more dirt? He flies all over the world constantly, and flying is one of the worst things you can do to the enviornment. He ain't a saint, but he tries to bring the message out into the masses, thats more than most people do.

I agree here. There's no crime in having a passion.

I love that i have some people here who totally disagree A good discussion is always worth a lot. What i wonder though, is what the motivation is. Like, say it doesnt even matter anymore who started the ball, its rolling and getting worse, more ice is melting, gulf stream could stall, sea levels will rise (the question is only how fast, not if), weather gets more extreme (more floods, more droughts), we have record plus and minus temperatures all over and there is not really anything we can do to completely stop it, as it feeds on itself. So what exactly do you guys think in all this? Like should we sit back and enjoy ourselves until the planet is all in the toilet and then blow our brains out? Whats the plan? Or what is your plan?

"If we don't know to what port we're sailing, no wind is favourable. "
-Seneca