Devotion through pain.

[ACommittedSadist]

He knows every single sign...movement I make if I am not happy or enjoying what is being given to me. One slightest sign and the Play stops. His pleasure is seeing me enjoying myself....and pleasing him.

This would be the antithesis of what my OP was about, but also I imagine much more common. I there is something counter intuitive in what I am talking about because it requires a head space where she can hate the act but love the situation.

If something doesnt feel right then we talk about it. Most people tend to forget that S&m is not just about pain or trust...it is about commitment AND communication.

This is something I agree with 100%.

[tessa]

The pain makes the surrender real, and the surrender gives the pain meaning. Neither is whole without the other.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

I think it has all been opined quite wonderfully so far, so I don't have anything else to add. I just really wanted to post in the "Devotion through pain" thread.

[vistana]

...head space where she can hate the act but love the situation.

oh, that applies to a few things I can think of... i love being made to do things I don't like.
Mostly it's humiliation-related acts that get that reaction, but occasionally pain works it's way in. I'm a pretty heavy masochist, but I don't always enjoy the pain as it's being inflicted. I do enjoy that I'm not enjoying it however, which I think is what the OP was saying.

[Eponine]

oh, that applies to a few things I can think of... i love being made to do things I don't like.
Mostly it's humiliation-related acts that get that reaction, but occasionally pain works it's way in. I'm a pretty heavy masochist, but I don't always enjoy the pain as it's being inflicted. I do enjoy that I'm not enjoying it however, which I think is what the OP was saying.

Yes.. for me... i get off on Master truly enjoying my pain, tears, humiliation, fear. The only pain I truly enjoy, in a vacuum, is nipple pinching, and only to a certain extent. Nothing else is enjoyable to me in and of itself- only the thrill of Master's sadism brings me pleasure... giving myself up so completely... that He can use me and my body however He wishes (and of course I trust Him and know He will not abuse that trust)... that is the thrill for me... I do also love being pushed, to endure as much as I can for His pleasure... _that_ is my pleasure... and my turn-on.

Only recently, with Master, did i discover how much i needed a sadist. A true sadist who will purely enjoy giving me pain and humiliation- not someone doing it b/c they know or think i will enjoy it- that doesn't work for me.

I love it when I tell Master, "my nipples are sore..." (of course with a grin) and He says, "Good," with a truly delicious, wicked grin.

I do have to add- those leftover pains are enjoyable to me in a purely phsyical sense as well as emotionally, being reminders of O/our time together.