Red, as I said in my earlier post this is not something I have had a lot of exposure to. I think that is because it approaches one of my limits more than anything. That said, I am learning a lot about it through the replies to this thread, and your responses. You are doing a great job of educating people about this. My visceral feeling when reading the quote you supplied from Ms. Brame's book was that her sample was limited. She specifically looked at Daddy/boy relationships, and did not even acknowledge the wider field where these types of relationships work in a healthy manner. Thank you for at least opening my eyes, and helping me to overcome a prejudice through educating me.