College & High School Shootings: What Now

[ThisYouWillDo]

Corporal punishment does nothing except brutalise both the person administering it and the person receiving it. As a deterrent it's useless. As retribution, it's ineffective, and as a means of making amends, irrelevant.

As I've said before, it doesn't even make the victims feel better. (Or if it does, the judicial system shouldn't be catering for that kind of perversion.)

TYWD

[Thorne]

Corporal punishment does nothing except brutalise both the person administering it and the person receiving it. As a deterrent it's useless. As retribution, it's ineffective, and as a means of making amends, irrelevant.

Well, I think you would have to admit that, to date, there has never been an executed murderer who has killed again.

[mkemse]

Well, I think you would have to admit that, to date, there has never been an executed murderer who has killed again.

my concenr on thi whole issue is most shooting ens with the shooter commiting suicide or being take by the polie but what do collegles and schools that are all open campus do to protect their students better, i have neevr hear of a shooter going to trial because they are usialy killed at the scene to begin with

[Thorne]

my concenr on thi whole issue is most shooting ens with the shooter commiting suicide or being take by the polie but what do collegles and schools that are all open campus do to protect their students better, i have neevr hear of a shooter going to trial because they are usialy killed at the scene to begin with

One advantage of the killers taking themselves out is that they save the state the cost of a trial and incarceration and appeals and more appeals and more appeals.

Of course, the disadvantage is that you don't get to speak with and study the killer to find out what went wrong to cause him to do such a thing. Over the years law enforcement has managed to improve their understanding of serial killers and the kinds of things that make them tick. They need to do the same for these "spree" killers, those who just seem to snap for some reason and try to take out as many people as they can. And it does seem that many of them seem to have no sense of self preservation. They go into it knowing that they are going to die, one way or another.

As for protecting the campuses and the students, there is no absolutely sure way to do that, beyond locking THEM up for the duration, basically turning our schools into a form of prison. That, IMO, is no solution. In fact, it would probably make the problem worse.

Anyone who wants absolute safety in this world is in for a serious disappointment. There is no such thing. We risk our lives every day we are breathing. We can minimize the dangers, but there comes a point, just as in medicine, where the cure is worse than the disease. All you can do is learn to live with the threats and do your best to avoid them.

[mkemse]

One advantage of the killers taking themselves out is that they save the state the cost of a trial and incarceration and appeals and more appeals and more appeals.

Of course, the disadvantage is that you don't get to speak with and study the killer to find out what went wrong to cause him to do such a thing. Over the years law enforcement has managed to improve their understanding of serial killers and the kinds of things that make them tick. They need to do the same for these "spree" killers, those who just seem to snap for some reason and try to take out as many people as they can. And it does seem that many of them seem to have no sense of self preservation. They go into it knowing that they are going to die, one way or another.

As for protecting the campuses and the students, there is no absolutely sure way to do that, beyond locking THEM up for the duration, basically turning our schools into a form of prison. That, IMO, is no solution. In fact, it would probably make the problem worse.

Anyone who wants absolute safety in this world is in for a serious disappointment. There is no such thing. We risk our lives every day we are breathing. We can minimize the dangers, but there comes a point, just as in medicine, where the cure is worse than the disease. All you can do is learn to live with the threats and do your best to avoid them.

The Chief Of Police For NIU Security said in a pRess Conference last night and again today "As long a we have open campus there is no way to 100% guarantee security, it simply is not a reality, it can not be done"

[ThisYouWillDo]

Well, I think you would have to admit that, to date, there has never been an executed murderer who has killed again.

I have to give you that one, Thorne. I'm guilty of blurring the distinction between corporal and capital punishment.

No-one executed for murder has killed again afterwards: even the ones who were innocent and, it might be argued, had a "free strike". A crude but highly effective means of punishment. Maybe that's why our forefathers used the death penalty on highway robbers, adulterers and sheep stealers too. One shouldn't disregard the wisdom of the ages lightly.

Knives are becoming a problem at our schools, and a few of them have installed metal detectors at all entrances. Maybe that would work in USA universities. But, thinking about it a little more, if I were intent on carrying out a mass killing, I wouldn't let anyone stop me at a metal detector - I'd run past then open up, probably taking out the guard as my first victim.

TYWD