Quote Originally Posted by ThisYouWillDo View Post
To me, it's obvious: if what he did was legal then the laws are wrong. Change them.
Quote Originally Posted by mkemse View Post
We have tried for years to change gun laws in the United States the big probelm we have is the NRA the National Rifle Association has so much power as lobbiests here that no major changes ever make it through congress, they are killed or burned in congress and get nowhere amknig chages is not the issue getting them passed and having a President sign them is the issue 99% of gun law chahges never go anywhere, they get introduced into congress and then just die there or get vetoed with not enough votes to overide a veto

We? Speak for yourself. Let's be real clear. Gun lobby or no... if the clear majority of people were for gun control it would pass. These laws are introduced riht after such incidents and get as far as they do because the liberal press is in favor of them. So the legislators get a lot of publicity for doing so. But the people? I doubt it.

For some it's about liberty. For some it's about the right to protect ourselves as, world-wide, criminals don't have a problem getting guns if they want them, and for some, it's about (perhaps naively) the ability to protect ourselves from an overbearing government. That's what this 'country' did 250 years ago.

The latter is something that is virtually 'bred' into my bones even though I am a first generation 'born in the USA american' on both sides of my family. All too many of us were slaughtered in Nazi death camps. The words 'never again' though never specifically uttered by my father were taught to me in crystal clear language.

A lot of my otherwise liberal acquaintances actually take note of what happened during the era of Viet Nam war protesting... what the US government did to impose "order" on their right to free speech... including a number of deaths... (admittedly few... but none-the-less...) and those liberal friends of mine aren't all that adamently for gun control.