lmao, sweet post Mr Fix It,,my owner and i paticularly loved the chicken noodle news parody,is it possible that sleeper cells are allowed to continue as an intellegence resorce? like we watch who and what they do to lead us to other cells etc?

Also not to be confused,, i personally am against torture for any reasons( but hey i am a girl with a pow dad), my owner however says torture is a grey area in practical aplications especially on the battle field,
the whole water boarding issue (which my owner says is preformed for training purposes on our some types of our own troops like combat controllers and other wet work spe******ts) sounds like something the cia would do with spys and the like without anyones sensibilities getting in an up roar like under the table ,
He and I personally believe that between the White House especially the VP and his former boss Sec Def rumsfield, that the iraq issue was broached because both chenny and he wanted to invade the first time and got shot down by bush sr,
the use of water boarding was probably presented by the cia too the military and for reasons of cost and expediency (as i allready mentioned in a previous post) it was utilized as one of the most humane ways to extract intell, at least my owner says it is,, the other cheap way is to expose them to extreme cold tempuratures for short periods of time (which according to hubby we do to our own troops in basic survival resistence training to show them how easy it is to be broken)
after limited sleep deprivation, suposably if the body reaches a certian tempurature in the right conditions a person will do practically anything to get warm including betraying their "fucker" buddies, shrugs, go figure its a basic human response to be warm allmost as basic as breathing , and of course for legality reasons gitmo is a lot cheaper and closer than shiping the people off to alaska in the winter

i sure wish in some ways that some things were more like they were in the fifties or earlier as regards my knowledge as a public citizan of the things my government does, weather its genuinly on my behalf or to push some other agenda, but the world is what it is, we shape it by our actions today, i only hope we do a better job for our posterity than the baby boomer generation apears to be doing for us

i kinow it sounds like i am flipping my position but i am not, i really wish we didnt do some of the things we do, it seems weve lost our honor recently in this country for the sake of what? even higher gas prices? some people think we should nuke em all and be done with it but thats just crazy talk, personally i think we should choose our responses to terrorists with more care, i am sure some military statagos must have warned our leadership of the problems associated with trying to track down an enemey that has no single country and wears no uniform etc,, i just think the politicians over ruled that advice so they could say they acted they did something during thier watch , which of course means they are more electable, but hey isnt a politician just another kind of "fucker"