Polygomy issue

[Thorne]

Personally I am not into Polygamy. That is imo too restrictive and unbalanced of a Style. BUT the PPL/Families in the latest news story were Living in that Style. Unfortunantly it's hard to Really Know what the Whole Truth is in this (or any) situation Really, with the Media being what it is and stacking the deck as it does.

I don't think Families should be disrupted, and/or children removed from their Homes, without pretty absolute proof that they are in danger where they are to begin with.

My opinion is that the Government and Social Services have absolutely too much Power in these things.

Who can possibly Know the Truth w/o Living there?

Respectfully~SibheWolf

It's my understanding (forgive me if I'm mistaken) that there was at least one pregnant 14 year old in that group. If so, that pretty much speaks to the truth, don't you think? And a DNA test should provide proof of who the father is.

In general, though, I agree that the government busybodies do wield too much power in similar cases. But then, in many of these religious communities, the leader tends to wield a hell of a lot more power. I often wonder how many of the people involved are truly there voluntarily, rather than being afraid to speak out against someone who controls their family.

[Ozme52]

It's my understanding (forgive me if I'm mistaken) that there was at least one pregnant 14 year old in that group. If so, that pretty much speaks to the truth, don't you think? And a DNA test should provide proof of who the father is.

In general, though, I agree that the government busybodies do wield too much power in similar cases. But then, in many of these religious communities, the leader tends to wield a hell of a lot more power. I often wonder how many of the people involved are truly there voluntarily, rather than being afraid to speak out against someone who controls their family.

That may well be 'propaganda' and even if not, may well be just a teenage pregnancy. Or it could be an adult male in power forcing his will on the innocent, but we may well never know.

Regardless, it's become pretty clear there has been abuse of power by the DA and Child Services. There courts have said so multiple times. No cause for taking the children. Now (or recently, I've been offline of late) Child Services says they understand the situation but must "investigate" further. Damn... if you or I ignored a court order they'd toss us in jail. These "social workers" clearly think they're above the law.

[Clevernick]

That may well be 'propaganda' and even if not, may well be just a teenage pregnancy. Or it could be an adult male in power forcing his will on the innocent, but we may well never know.

I tend to agree -- There's a chance that the whole "child bride" thing was simply a teenage pregnancy (which occurs with startling frequency in all societies) being exploited for an excuse to send in the feds.

If we want to be left alone to practice our own lifestyle, we should stand up for others doing the same, so long as no children are harmed. (And because a 14-yr-old got pregnant is not proof that it was part of their lifestyle! 14-year-olds in YOUR community sometimes get pregnant too.)

If the polygamists call the bondage people perverts, and presume the worst of them, and we do the same for them, then we can all expect and deserve to be roundly persecuted by everyone else.

When they come to bust up the bdsm people, they'll of course find some underaged or ridiculously extreme example to hold up to the cameras, to remove all sympathy for the community. Standard practise.

[Thorne]

Not speaking from experience here, just some knowledge that I've picked up over the years. But it's my understanding that, in strict religious communities such as this one, everyone's activities and behavior are closely monitored by the leaders. It would be unlikely, though not impossible of course, that a young, girl would have the opportunity to have sexual relations with anyone without the leadership both knowing and approving. In fact, as I understand these things, they are most likely to be forced into a relationship with one of the leaders of the group, either through coercion or something akin to "brainwashing".

That's not to say that this was, indeed, the case here. I don't know, for sure, and I doubt anyone outside the community knows, either. And I don't believe that they should be subjected to attacks by the government without due process. But they should be required to submit to some oversight once the allegations of abuse have been made. And as I said in a previous comment, the DNA would tell the tale.

[sidhewolf]

It's my understanding (forgive me if I'm mistaken) that there was at least one pregnant 14 year old in that group. If so, that pretty much speaks to the truth, don't you think? And a DNA test should provide proof of who the father is.

In general, though, I agree that the government busybodies do wield too much power in similar cases. But then, in many of these religious communities, the leader tends to wield a hell of a lot more power. I often wonder how many of the people involved are truly there voluntarily, rather than being afraid to speak out against someone who controls their family.

Yes Sir, so we hear and read. But the pregnant 14 yo *could be* pregnant by 14, 15,16, yo too <shrugs>. How do we yet Know what the Truth of that Really is?

<nods> On the cult type Communities. Truly who Knows but those who Live there? Seems some of those who Live in this one are ok with it? Some perhaps not? Time will tell, it Always Always does. Also, if anyone involved wishes to "speak out", I think Now would be a good time.

Respectfully~SidheWolf