Art or thinly veiled kiddy porn?

[icey]

i was a child in the 70's too and ran around beaches naked in ous and relatives gardens, had pics taken of me etc...unfortunately one of the adult relatives i ran around naked in front of didnt find it artistic although he certainly found it sexy as a result it want just pictures he wanted.
it probably wasnt the nakedness that caused his sexual tendencies but you can bet it fuelled them! thats why to me pictures such as these are wrong...whats artistic about it anyway, how do the art critics/lovers 'interpret' that kind of art? when its naked women its often interpreted in a sexual context such as her curves represent, her posture represents, her eyes are lit with desire and seem to be saying (all comes across as a little sexual to me) maybe im not putting that across too well maybe it doesnt even matter lol but im sure most of you understand what im trying to say, and yea little girls often love posing for pics and being princesses , but how did she really feel inside when she was naked,ive a daughter and many people i know have daughters and they dont like being naked in front of their brothers let alone some virtual stranger and a man at that!

How did we end up in this mess? A situation where people think its wrong to find naked children beautiful? They are. .

perhaps because of children like me and all the many many others out there?...repression doesnt come from paedos sexuality but from the children who are too scared and repressed to tell!

[TomOfSweden]

i was a child in the 70's too and ran around beaches naked in ous and relatives gardens, had pics taken of me etc...unfortunately one of the adult relatives i ran around naked in front of didnt find it artistic although he certainly found it sexy as a result it want just pictures he wanted.
it probably wasnt the nakedness that caused his sexual tendencies but you can bet it fuelled them! thats why to me pictures such as these are wrong...whats artistic about it anyway, how do the art critics/lovers 'interpret' that kind of art? when its naked women its often interpreted in a sexual context such as her curves represent, her posture represents, her eyes are lit with desire and seem to be saying (all comes across as a little sexual to me) maybe im not putting that across too well maybe it doesnt even matter lol but im sure most of you understand what im trying to say, and yea little girls often love posing for pics and being princesses , but how did she really feel inside when she was naked,ive a daughter and many people i know have daughters and they dont like being naked in front of their brothers let alone some virtual stranger and a man at that!
perhaps because of children like me and all the many many others out there?...repression doesnt come from paedos sexuality but from the children who are too scared and repressed to tell!

That's a fair point. But isn't children's sense of what is acceptable and not pretty closely linked to their age and what hormones are going through their skulls at what time? We all know a parent can go from being the "best ever" to an "idiot who doesn't get it" over night, by doing the exact same thing.

You don't really negate my arguments, do you? All I'm saying is that we should focus on the kids. If they don't feel exploited, (and obviously we have to use some adult judgement on their behalf, kids are fickle) all is good.

My whole point is to basically remove the focus on the paedophile. It doesn't really bother me that some dude is masturbating over any future daughter I might have. That day will come one day, and she'll love it. As a parent... worrying about things like that... is understandable.... but not particularly rational.

It's the difference between worrying what could be potentially used as porn to the deranged mind to worrying about what the kid feels.

....and call me a hippie. But I'll never think that thinking it's loaded to show your naked body is anything but a psychological block that takes plenty of hard-core brainwashing by the entire society, to be put into place to begin with. Until we learn it is shameful we'll never think it could be naughty. Feeling bad about showing your body in public can never be a normal psychological state. I mean.... we were just another species of monkey not that long ago. Clothes wasn't invented until just 30 000 years ago.

Sex is in the stance of the object. A smiling happy naked person jumping around innocently will never be porn. It needs some pouting and/or flexing.

[Alex Bragi]

Please, I would like to clarify a few points here, if I may.

No, my primary problem is not with publicity seeking artists. I cited this one simply because, in my opinion , he's managed to sink to all new levels.

Yes, I remember that US case of the virtual kiddy porn. It was Tom Creedy or Reedy's lawyers who claimed it wasn't kiddy porn because, while creating some of the filthiest and most sexually explicit images of minors ever seen on the net, not children were actually used or charmed. But, seriously, if you believe people were viewing his works for their artistic value, you'll probably also be waiting for Santa to drop down your chimney on the 25th December.

Had these latest shadowy and seductive images been of an adult woman there would be no issue here. A few people would have ogled them while pretending to appreciate their artistic value and everyone would have been happy. Oh, everyone except, of course, Bill Henson who would still be a little know artist.

When is it porn? Good question. Ok, I believe it becomes pornography when it's portrayed as sexual and it offends the senses and sensibilities of the majority of a community. It become child pornography when, in addition, a child or children are sexually exploited for the pleasure of adults.

I have absolutely no problem at all with adult porn. I love adult porn! Especially adult BDSM porn! It teases and titillates me! It makes me, as lover of bdsm, want to run out and grab a piece of that hot action for myself!!! Unfortunately, I fear images like the ones I've cited here, on this thread, may have a similar effect on pedophiles.