What the United States Supreme Court Says

[denuseri]

I guess seeing all the manes yu called people put back to yu in a post was hard sir, i respect yur opinion as being your opinion, as far as stereotypes i belive my owner was indirectly saying yu were fufilling one of them with your previous posts,, both he and i are all for gun control laws, just adamantly opposed to removing our legally obtained firearms from us is all. Respect is a two way street in other words.

[John56{vg}]

I never disrespected a person, as you two did. I disrespected an organization. You and your owner made it personal.

Respect DOES work both ways as does stereotypes.

MY words were not thrown against. I simply disagreed with you. I never personally called anyone's names. But if you can't argue without getting personal then far be it from me to coninue the arguing. You can argue with yourself.

I have stated again and again I am for gun control and NOT the banning of firearms, but I guess you don't read that far in the posts. You see Liberal and you make up your minds.

I WILL always respect anyone's right to speak their mind.

Too bad you don't have the same viewpoint. Sad really. MY relatives fought hard for everybody to have that right.

[Alex Bragi]

...I will not change your opinion, I know that. But I will always support the right for you to say your piece. And you will not change my opinion either. But expressing a different opinion seems to be a crime to some of the people here. Or at least could get you shot.

So I will stop expressing my opinion here.

Sorry that people who think differently are not allowed to have their opinions respected.

John, this is always going to be a very divisive issue.

Everyone here is welcome to express their opinion so long as they respect others. So, please continue, if you wish.


Please, (all) try to stay objective here.

[MissElizabeth87]

My grandfather, my father, my uncles have ALL fought to keep this nation free. I own guns and support the owning of guns. But I DO believe in controls and regulation.

I have said here what I believe in. What I have gotten in return has been the support of shooting and killing liberals. Being called a "cake-eating Liberal stereotype." I DO believe the leadership of the NRA are radical and unfeeling in some of their actions.

I have never said ALL the members are.

I have never said that those that believe that some here are stereo-typical or should be shot.

Stereotypes work both ways though it seems. As does resorting to name-calling. I know that I have a different opinion from the bulk of the people here.

I will not change your opinion, I know that. But I will always support the right for you to say your piece. And you will not change my opinion either. But expressing a different opinion seems to be a crime to some of the people here. Or at least could get you shot.

So I will stop expressing my opinion here.

Sorry that people who think differently are not allowed to have their opinions respected.

I am really sorry if you felt I was disrespecting your opinion. I was just saying that you should really stop saying that even MOST NRA members are like that. I realize that the majority of the leadership is rather crazy, but generalizations are insulting to either side. I was not saying you can't have your opinion, or even voice it. I think the point of free speech was so that we could all hear each others' opinions and be informed. Honestly, I AGREE with you about gun control. I was just very much insulted by your insinuations that even most NRA members are crazy and not for that. It's not anymore fair than assuming that most people for gun control actually mean that no one should be allowed to own a gun.

[John56{vg}]

I am really sorry if you felt I was disrespecting your opinion. I was just saying that you should really stop saying that even MOST NRA members are like that. I realize that the majority of the leadership is rather crazy, but generalizations are insulting to either side. I was not saying you can't have your opinion, or even voice it. I think the point of free speech was so that we could all hear each others' opinions and be informed. Honestly, I AGREE with you about gun control. I was just very much insulted by your insinuations that even most NRA members are crazy and not for that. It's not anymore fair than assuming that most people for gun control actually mean that no one should be allowed to own a gun.

The only statement that I wrote that said ALL or MOST members of the NRA are crazy was to make a point. Thorne stated that "Those who proclaim . . . gun control . . . really want to ban guns completely."

THis statement was a blanket statement and not even near true. If you read my post further you will see that I put the offending remark in italics, and explained that it was a blanket statement and was wrongheaded and not meant to be taken as comeplete fact.

Like you, my problem is with the Leadership and some of the group's political posturing that is uncaring and, yes, crazy, in my opinion.

I have stated again and again how I am sure their are many members of the NRA that are for responsible gun ownership and for sane gun laws and regulations. In fact many of my family and friends are members.

So I ma sorry you got that impression, but if you will read the whole post you will find I did not mean to blanket every member (or even most) with being crazy.

But, even as a gun owner I would never belong to the NRA because of the actions of the leadership. I consider THOSE people as radicals. Again, my opinion. I totally respect yours and even the opinions of those that do NOT respect mine.

However, getting personal and making "jokes" about shooting and killing those that don't agree with you, gets NO respect from me.

Thank you for your post and I am sorry that I left the impression you received. It was not meant to leave that impression, it was an illustration.

[denuseri]

Well John I am sorry too, my owner and myself thought this was just a debate, not a shooting gallery, i am perhaps too passionate in my views, i think both sides here said things offencive sounding that sure could and were taken as derogatory and were perhaps not clearly stated in such a way as to not leave that impression or we wouldnt be having this part of the conversation,

If for instance if i said that all of the leadership of one party or the other was crazy stupid etc (even with what was thought to be taken as obvious political satire), it is an opinion and not a personal attack.,
i can see how not being clear enough to keep from offending those who identify with a paticular group led to some angst and for that i am truely sorry

[Ragoczy]

Get rid of guns, and the murder rate WILL fall, I promise you. Let guns be freely available to anyone who wants them - including, now, convicted killers and lunatics, and more people will be murdered, and more people will die through accidental shootings.

Factually incorrect. Restrictive gun laws increase the crime and murder rates.

When Florida instituted concealed weapons permits, violent crime in the State went down. This trend has been the case in every State that's instituted carry permits since.

Statistics that indicate you're X-times more likely to be killed by your own gun in your home are cooked -- the only way the math works is if incidents where a gun owner injured a criminal or the criminal fled are ignored and only incidents of death are counted.

When Florida's carry permits went into effect, Dade County began a separate database to track criminal incidents involving individuals with carry permits. Seven years later they terminated the project ... the database had three entries.

[mkemse]

Interesting thought AND I HOPE IT NEVER EVER HAPPENS, what would happen if a grandchild, wife daughter son ect of any member of the NRA, a card carrying member or their upper people like Wayne LaPiere, or one ofthe Supreme Court Justices ever had one of their family members killed by a handgun, or a unregistered gun, or a semi or fully assault rife??
I wonder if they would go back to review their decison,

Makes for intresting thought if nothing else