November Election

[denuseri]

Malthis and his malthusians, (chk the spelling yursleves) if any are familuar

basically said as the worlds population gets to a signifigant size a last ditch scrammble will begin to sieze control of all remaining rescources, in effect a global war with massive famons etc

they predicted this proccess to occur a while ago based off the population growth rate in malthis's day,, he was wrong on the timetable becuase westernized countries that allowed more freedom to wemon resulted in lower birthrates as more wemon chose to have careers etc, somthing allmost unthinkable to him in his day and age

the process however seems to be ocuring just not on schedule

as a side bar to the thread i am just curious what all think about thier canidates abilities or knowledge levels to step up on these things as they are some things i consider when choosing a cantidate

our own cicil liberties not with standing,,, what does everyone think we will have to do to survive and do they think thier cantidate will be able to prepare us for this eventuality and why?

is thier a way that will work (considering we cant just snap our fingers and everyone be peaceful) that wont involve war?

[Virulent]

as a side bar to the thread i am just curious what all think about thier canidates abilities or knowledge levels to step up on these things as they are some things i consider when choosing a cantidate

I'm not sure how much it matters. But, I think that John McCain is more pragmatic than Barack Obama; if you imagine that the President sits there and decides what he wants the country to do, and then has the country go do it... then I think I'd pick John McCain. To be real though - I'm pretty sure that "president" is what we call our national speech-giver/hand-shaker. I don't think there is any autonomous authority in the job.

what does everyone think we will have to do to survive?

A good book for people interested in this would be Endgame (free mostly complete version <here>), by Derrick Jensen. I'm quite fond of it, but as a word of caution, it explicitly is written to preach to the choir - if you're not already certain that human civilization is doomed to eco-Malthusian collapse, it probably won't interest you. The book doesn't spend one line trying to convince you of this impending catastrophe. Either you see it coming, or you don't.

I think that is exactly the right way to handle it too - if when you look around you, you don't see civilization in its death throes, I do not believe I could possibly convince you to see what it looks like to me... and honestly, I hope every day that I'm wrong.