I think it is interesting how the origainal intent of the post was lost a bit when the kink in question turned to something less than "acceptable."

The most important phrase in subservant's post was this:

"if she truly loved him she would beg..."

The application or acceptance of a kink has little to do with love. For the author to equate love with a fetish is flawed.

Cadence, for example, is motivated by her cunt. I can make her more willing to perform for me by denying her cunt what it wants. Is that an expression of love? No. But she will obey because she knows her obedience will be rewarded and her cunt will be satisfied.

Does that sound mean? Probably. But it's what she wants. If she didn't, she wouldn't be where she is. She is devoted to me, and she is obedient and loyal. Whether she cleans my cock after it's been in her ass or not doesn't show me that she loves me. The fact that she's here shows me that.


However, to focus on the particular fetish in question for a moment...

I will preface this by saying, from the beginning, that I used to be anti-scat play in its entirety. You can actually read that here, if you so choose.

However, people evolve and things change. One of my favorite saying is thet thing that makes you go "eww" this week might make you go "ooo" next week.

I have become fond of scat play over the last few months. The amount of discipline required to perform the "nastiest of the nasty" simply at the behest of another person is staggering. Let's face it, the act of taking a toy or penis from your own ass, knowing exactly where it's been, and cleaning it with your mouth is definitely not something everyone could do.

Now before you all start joining the "that doesn't make her a better submissive" bandwagon, you're right, it doesn't. It just means she is willing to explore my fetish with me. Being an obedient, disciplined submissive is being an obedient, discipline submissive, no matter what kinks or fetishes are involved. One submissive might show her obedience by kissing her master's feet, another might show hers by fucking animals, yet another might show hers just by kneeling and making herself ready. No one act is greater; they all show devotion, discipline and obedience.

Do I think scat play is "icky?" Yes. Let's face it, it's shit. We've all been taught from the time we were in diapers that shit is nasty. It is. It's smelly, messy and it waste. No one likes waste.

Do I think it's unsafe? That depends. Doing scat play or ATM from your own ass is probably the safest form of play you can do. You're not likely to make yourself sick from something you don't already have in the first place. If you've had hepititis in the past, you might (might) carry it in your feces. However, since you're already a carrier, your own shit isn't going to make you any more a carrier than you already are.

Similarly, I know my medical history. I have never had hep, herpes, etc. I know if I asked to be rimmed by a submissive or whatever, then I'm not likely to infect anyone with anything. The very, very worst thing that might (might) happen is that the submissive in question gets e coli. That can be very nasty; high fever, vomiting, etc.

However, in my exploration of this fetish in my own experimentation, none - not one - of the people I have ever done it with has ever gotten sick. Not one, not once. I recognize that might change any time, but honestly, the amount of time I spend on that particular fetish is so small, the possibility is tiny. It's not like I say "OK I'm done in your ass now clean my cock" every single time I'm there. That would just lose it's effect after awhile. No, it's more like chocolate sprinkles on your chocolate cake. It's best enjoyed sparingly, so the "special" of it doesn't wear off.

And yes, I understand that this fetish isn't for everyone. I'm not going to sit here and tell you to "do ATM or you're not a real submissive." I think that was sort fo the point made my the original debate about the first post made. Personally, I don't see how people can fuck animals. That's just nasty, nasty shit. But that's just my opinion. I'm allowed to have it, and I could be totally wrong. I frequently am anyway.


In conclusion, I would like to say, do what you like. Show your submission in whatever wat works for you. It's your relationship; live it like you want. However, don't condemn others for what they like either. I eat a bunch of bananas a week, but my wife hates them. Do I think she's a sick freak because she won't eat bananas wth me? No. We just like two different things. That's how people work. Woulnd't the world be terribly boring if we all liked the same things?