Wow...

I find conversations of the bible, christianity, and other religions absolutely hilarious... Just check out my nick... But what is so funny to me is the different, and often extreme, views on what each religion and all of its implications.

When, if you have actually read and possible studied the bible/Quran. Like me, you would open your eyes to two of the most vile, gratuitous, immoral, and generalized books ever written by anyone.

I'm not going to get into who wrote what because until you introduce me to a REALLY old person who claims to know it all... Its all just theory. But I will make a claim that the writers of both books were clearly realists when you consider the references and history of both. To be simple, if you think the "lifestyle" is something new... Your crazy...

Now, I'm not claiming Paul was demanding all christians join the lifestyle. But to take the things that the bible said as law and not principal(You do know the difference right?). Is just another example of people limiting themselves and using some really good advice as an excuse to self destruct.

To directly answer the original poster's statement: To see BDSM as a Christian idea is not really an important issue (imho). Submission, as the bible uses the term, is not clearly defined anywhere in the bible. There are many parables and writers that claim to be examples of submission. But the only common thread is that someone else is put before themselves. The bible also claims we should do this for everyone.

So truthfully, I believe that the "details" of a relationship are left out of the marriage description on purpose. If the lifestyle makes you both happy... Great! If it doesn't... Figure it out!

If you get it wrong... Remember, CHRIST said to love the sinner and hate the sin.

Its ironic to me that this, the BDSM family shows the very characteristics of non-judgmental love, forgiveness, and total acceptance that CHRIST requires of the "christians" that would condemn us out of hat if they could find a legitimate platform to do it on...

I am a living, bought with the blood of Christ, Christian. I love my wife in all her many forms... And all of you as well!

-Pastor