Apparently as ussual with polarized political debates, as proven so many times before, we shall have to simply agree to disagree. lol

I respect that your "opinions" shall differ from my own, and that your mind will not be changed by what I write becuase you don't want it too, no matter what i post including this. (and I am speaking to all those that want to disagree not just the above poster"

There is a signifigantly vast number of influeneces that the founding fathers expoused in thier mascications to bring our country forth, all i did was point out a few of them, thier isnt enough space (without writting whole text books) for me to accurately indulge you with all of them, at least not and expound upon them all.

McCain and Palin hold the best hope for our future. Unlike Obama (as Palin just said in her speach last night) they are not using the word "change" to foster thier careers, but using thier "careers" to foster change.

It is glaringly apparent that Obama is not the "Messiah" he would have us think he is, he didn't even consider asking Hillary to be the vice president and unite his party, he has never reached accross the aisle with any success, nor pushed any majior legislation through, or even held a real job save that of the comittee he was on with a criminal that he conviently "forgets" involvement with and the media of course gives him a pass on. Typical liberal agenda sycophants.

Obama serves himself first, the country second if not third. His actions have proven it a hundred times over, despite his silvery words.

That being said, I am out peeps. No true debate of any objective fashion exists here, I have looked at the facts on both sides, spent long hours in reaserch and played evils advocate, given the benifit of the doubt etc etc and supported both sides for too long in too many posts on this and other threads conserning everything from gun control, politics, religion and torture to animal rights and sex education in schools.

Every single time someone takes it personel or wants to make it that way and close minded near flaming has been used to vehemently oppose any opinion that differed from that of the left.

No wonder Socrates freely drank the hemlocke. Sophistry reigns still today.

Peace out.