New Kink Label?

[littlepet]

Hey Remia, yeah, no one can own a label. Whatever label anyone uses it's going to mean something different to them than to other people and that's true, in and outside of kink.

DowntownAmber, I can't wait to be 30, so I tell tell everyone I'm Twenty-Ten, because that will amuse me.

[Ozme52]

Hey Remia, yeah, no one can own a label. Whatever label anyone uses it's going to mean something different to them than to other people and that's true, in and outside of kink.

DowntownAmber, I can't wait to be 30, so I tell tell everyone I'm Twenty-Ten, because that will amuse me.

Dammit!!! That makes me Twenty-Twenty-Sixteen!!

Which would be discouraging if I weren't so loaded with Ozness!!

[littlepet]

LMAO @ loaded with Ozness!!!

And clearly made of awesome haha!

[Ozme52]

LMAO @ loaded with Ozness!!!

And clearly made of awesome haha!

You know... it spreads through close contact with me...

Ozmosis!!

[Polaris]

You know... it spreads through close contact with me...

Ozmosis!!

Oh, you must visit certain areas quite often...it's a condition very frequently found in Ozlo.



Just a few quick remarks on the Gor books...

Literature is pretty much my daily bread. This is mostly what I do: I read books, and then I interprete then. The people around me do the same. The typical scenerio goes like the following:

We start a friendly debate. One person is talking. The person has finished talking, and the rest of the people in the room jump at them with some delight. If we weren't in an academic surrounding we'd most likely start to mudwrestle at some point, but it's definitely intellectual mudslinging:

A: It is OBVIOUS that the author meant to say...
B (with fervour): But we MUST NOT FORGET
C: You are all wrong. It is entirely different
A: But if you look at this passage it's EVIDENT
ad infinitum

If I have learned something then it is that the same book can be read in many different ways by different readers. It depends on your own worldviews, your own experience, your own emotional state in the moment of reading...imho, there is no 'one true reading'. And hell, am I glad there isn't -- my field wouldn't have much future if this was the case.

What I'm trying to say is, I think it's possible to find the Gor series misogynist without being 'incorrect' per se. It is a reading that the books allow, just as much as they allow for an entirely different reading. Personally, I find them enjoyable and entertaining, but neither particularly misogynist nor particularly exciting.

When it gets to interpretation, we do exactly that -- interprete. And as soon as we begin to interprete, we leave the safe ground of fact and enter the realm of, well, interpretation. It is something we can discuss, of course. But at the end of the day, everybody will arrive at their respective, subjective 'truth' and stick to it. This is of course no criticism into any direction, I'm just a bit weird about literature in general

And denuseri, just because it fits in here (not wanting to hijack the thread): I really admire the courage and passion you show when you talk about the lifestyle you chose for yourself. I realise there is an (in my opinion unjustified) stigma attached to the Gorean lifestyle, and I learned a lot from you and the few but lovely Goreans on this board. Thanks for that!

And now I'll stop boring ya'll to death!

[littlepet]

Seri,

To me this is along the lines of a liberal christian who because they believe I am under their god's grace, whether I want it or not, will call me christian and consider it a compliment with no regards to my own feelings on the issue or how the religion may have been used as a weapon against me, and therefore is personally distasteful.

I appreciate that you would never call me Kajira. And while to you it would be the highest compliment, to me it would be an insult. Just like being called a christian would be personally insulting to me. I am an individual human being with my own internal moral code which may or may not agree with someone else's which is fine.

I do not have a need for others to "agree with my view" or "follow my way." I merely insist that no one insist that I must just not "get it" or else I would see the wondrous beauty of it.

I have not made any statements against specific practitioners of the Gorean Lifestyle, only my personal assertion that the books are misogynistic. Considering that it is a work of fiction there can be no "true interpretation."

I have my opinion and you have yours.

Because all interpretations are necessarily interpretations. But they are twisted books from my perspective. I'm creating a separate free webpage, not on this site, to get some of my thoughts on the Gor series out and why these books irk me so much.

I personally believe the bible is a barbaric/tribalistic/amoral book, BUT this does not mean I believe Christians are this way. There are plenty of christians who are good people. But I don't think it's "because of" the bible.

I have similar feelings toward the Gor novels. Also, as a writer, I find them to be bad even by pulp fiction standards. If the books were not pedantic and preachy, the misogyny might be slightly less obvious and irksome.

Nevertheless, whether or not it's "fantasy" I find the ideas very harmful to women as a gender. But as I said, that is my opinion. I have not claimed my view to be holy writ.

I have not once attacked "your way." I don't recall personally saying anything negative about any human being who follows a Gorean Lifestyle. What I have done instead, is express my personal views on a work of FICTION.

And why it is difficult for me to reconcile books which I find offensive, with decent people who follow a lifestyle in some way based around said books. But this is not the first time I have come against this. I have a muslim friend who is the kindest girl I know in the world, yet I feel she follows an insane and barbaric book.

I know many kind and wonderful christians, who nevertheless follow a book I find insane and barbaric. The Gor novels are just yet another extension of this for me.

Tolerance means that I do not seek to convert others to my way, nor do I try to stop others in any way from practicing what is in their hearts. Tolerance does not mean i cannot have my own individual views and feelings on what constitutes misogyny.

Respectfully,

littlepet