Why don't Americans have Evangelicals shut up?

[damyanti]

[QUOTE=Flesh Seraph;713383]In your profile it says you like intelligent debates, however you're providing substantial evidence to the contrary with remarks like these. I'm seeing a lot of rhetoric. I am not seeing an enumeration of the policies that someone like Palin might implement to such negative effect- or a detailed explanation of how the system of checks and balances (and most importantly, lobbyists) would break down to allow her to go to war on religious grounds. You know, the sorts of things that people typically refer to when making an informed argument.

You say that seriously with the self evident state of American policies today? Checks and balances? Hmmm, I must have skipped the part when Congress voted to go to war...that little bit is in the Constitution, isn't it and yet Bush has been able to skip it...I rest my case.

Palin said that she is ready to go to war with Russia without blinking! Bush clearly and proudly said in an interview that he went to war in Iraq with the blessings from God. Yes, I have nothing to worry about.

All I am doing is rhetoric? Is that supposed to be in an insult?

rhetoric - the art of speaking or writing effectively: as a: the study of principles and rules of composition formulated by critics of ancient times b: the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion.

I understand how that might be a shock to you after years of wonderful Bushisms.

[IAmCanadian]

You say that seriously with the self evident state of American policies today? Checks and balances? Hmmm, I must have skipped the part when Congress voted to go to war.

Touche. But I think we both know that that war wasn't declared on religious grounds. It definitely represents a failure, but the U.S.A would never accept religious justification for any major conflict, not in this day and age.

In any case, my above post uses inflammatory language and may not be in line with the forum guidelines. So if you're currently in the process of calling me a dick, I guess I don't blame you. The rhetoric thing wasn't an insult- it was meant to point out that you use persuasive, hyperbole-laden statements to sway reader opinion instead of making a well-reasoned, lengthier argument.

- FS

[damyanti]

Touche. But I think we both know that that war wasn't declared on religious grounds. It definitely represents a failure, but the U.S.A would never accept religious justification for any major conflict, not in this day and age.

In any case, my above post uses inflammatory language and may not be in line with the forum guidelines. So if you're currently in the process of calling me a dick, I guess I don't blame you. The rhetoric thing wasn't an insult- it was meant to point out that you use persuasive, hyperbole-laden statements to sway reader opinion instead of making a well-reasoned, lengthier argument.

- FS

No, not officially they wouldn't - but the major point in the election campaign is how religiously devout they are. Vice presidential candidate stood in the church and said that American troops are in Iraq "on the mission from God". Do I think she really believes that, whether she does or not, its equally wrong. No one called her out on it; even when she point blank lied that she didn't say that. She is smart and she has no qualms about using such rhetoric to win the election. Why is one of the main election questions "creationist theory"? Christian extremists represent the core voting body of Republican party. And one major point advantage they have against Democrats - they yell foul all the time, and if there is no foul, they make something up. And they are constantly allowed to get away with it. And that has been my point - why, if they are such a minority, are they allowed to be so loud, louder than anyone else and to tailor the national laws and politics according to their religious beliefs?

I disagree with your assessment of my speech, but I am rather subjective in that matter, lol, and I do give you the benefit of the doubt. Even if you are right, 1) thats how politicians (especially republican) speek; wasn't Palins introductory speech all rhetoric and false innuendos, - sometimes the only way to win is to fight fire with fire; 2) it doesn't change the fact that reasoned arguments and hard facts to back up my claims exist, but when was the last time facts mattered to Evangelicals (am I again making a generalization, do I really believe that all are evil war lovers, - no of course not, some actually live their faith in accordance to Christ and with respect to other people. But I have no proof of that, my belief in their existence is based on faith, because they never speak up!)...and as I stated I was venting out my frustrations not writing a thesis.

p.s. No, I didn't call you a "dick", and it didn't even occur to me to call the mods - thats the freedom of speech. I think someone here likened me to Voltaire (?) and what do you know his is one of my all time favorite quotes ..."I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

But what did cross my mind, was to ask you whether you ever worked for Karl Rowe, . It wasn't nice of you to suggest that I lack intelligence to understand complexities of American foreign policy, based solely on the fact that I called wrong wrong.

Another quote, by Adam Smith:

"According to the system of natural liberty, the sovereign has only three duties to attend to ... first, the duty of protecting the society from the violence and invasion of other independent societies; secondly, the duty of protecting, so far as possible, every member of the society from the injustice or oppression of every other member of it, or the duty of establishing an exact administration of justice, and thirdly, the duty of erecting and maintaining certain public works and certain public institutions, which it can never be for the interest of any individual, or small number of individuals, to erect and maintain..."

The frustration my rant came from is how can their total disregarded of the above quoted principle not piss you off and make you roar? And yet, republicans and evangelicals freely yell foul that Obama called Palin a pig, it gets in all the newspapers, and he didn't...they lie and lie and get away with it and Democrats keep playing fairly and keep loosing.