Is there any guy who can support this Methodology?!

[SubmissiveDoll]

The reason I say abuse is because in that article it's clearly laid out on how to deal with it when the slave begs to be released. Begs! Umm... she had her basement remodeled to be more sound proof so that her neighbors couldn't hear her slave screaming!?

Sure, humiliation, toilet slavery, and even being left alone in the dark. I have no issues with what anyone might be happy with. Honestly, just because it's not for me, doesn't mean that it doesn't make someone happy.

But, when the sub is literally begging to be let go... I think you have crossed a very serious line. Not to mention when you can take pictures and notes on their declining health. While it may be opinion based... this is just wrong.

[hopperboo]

the reason i say abuse is because in that article it's clearly laid out on how to deal with it when the slave begs to be released. Begs! Umm... She had her basement remodeled to be more sound proof so that her neighbors couldn't hear her slave screaming!?

Sure, humiliation, toilet slavery, and even being left alone in the dark. I have no issues with what anyone might be happy with. Honestly, just because it's not for me, doesn't mean that it doesn't make someone happy.

But, when the sub is literally begging to be let go... I think you have crossed a very serious line. Not to mention when you can take pictures and notes on their declining health. While it may be opinion based... This is just wrong.

I agree! GREAT points!

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The reason I say abuse is because in that article it's clearly laid out on how to deal with it when the slave begs to be released. Begs! Umm... she had her basement remodeled to be more sound proof so that her neighbors couldn't hear her slave screaming!?

Sure, humiliation, toilet slavery, and even being left alone in the dark. I have no issues with what anyone might be happy with. Honestly, just because it's not for me, doesn't mean that it doesn't make someone happy.

But, when the sub is literally begging to be let go... I think you have crossed a very serious line. Not to mention when you can take pictures and notes on their declining health. While it may be opinion based... this is just wrong.

To be honest I read the post and skimmed over the article, so I didn't see any problems with what you quoted. I went back and read a bit more of it.

I would have to say that the writer of this may be embelleshing just a bit, just to make the whole thing a bit more interesting.
I read a few of the responses at the end, and unless they were forced to reply on how great it was to be a toilet slave, they seemed to be pretty happy with it.
As I said there may be some people who want this, even if it has some health issues involved.
Unless I skimmed too fast I failed to see what happens if the submissive becomes gravely ill because of misuse.

I have been told that it would be fine to chain me in the basement on weekends, if I wanted to or not.

If I want to be released, I have been told that I must beg for it, I have also been told that he will pass me off to another if he decides that he is done and bored with me.
Not saying that such things will happen, but it was part of our agreement.

There are always negotiations involved and I would think that the person who wrote this article, loosely mentioned that, but you cannot fully hold a person against thier will and then publicly declare it.

What if the person is not in the mind set to be aware this is abuse?

I don't understand how someone can treat someone "very badly," call them "very nasty names," and "humiliates" them in any way possible cares for or in any way respects them....

I truly don't understand.

Just because someone consents to something doesn't mean it's not abuse. A small child may consent to a beating because it's the only thing they know, same for an adult.



P.S. Extreme physical and/or mental harm is not a kink or fetish in my opinion. It's abuse.

If someone is not aware they are being abused or coherced into it, then I would say yes it is clearly abuse. There is no consent.

I consent fully to whatever is done to me, in fact I even asked for it. I have a Dominant that is able to provide me with what I enjoy, he does not abuse it, nor does he push.
Humiliation is not an easy thing to understand, and for the people who do enjoy it they are fully aware of what they are participating in.
There have been times when I have been pushed to an emotional edge, but I know when enough is enough. He also knows when it's time to pull back.

I don't condone anyone who coherces another into something they don't want to do, but if it is something that both parties agree on, then I don't see any abuse involved.

[hopperboo]

I failed to see what happens if the submissive becomes gravely ill because of misuse. .

I am gravely disturbed by this. God.

If someone is not aware they are being abused or coherced into it, then I would say yes it is clearly abuse. There is no consent.

I think this happens to many, many in the Lifestyle. (Submissives and slaves I mean). Not being aware they are being abused, or even the fact that they think they deserve to be treated poorly.

They may believe they get off on it, when really...they don't know how to handle someone who truly loves them.

he does not abuse it, nor does he push.
Humiliation is not an easy thing to understand, and for the people who do enjoy it they are fully aware of what they are participating in.
There have been times when I have been pushed to an emotional edge, but I know when enough is enough. He also knows when it's time to pull back.

Treating someone "very badly" and hurting someone emotionally in any way possible (or "whatever way he can") at every turn is something I consider abuse.

Perhaps my abuse meter is off, or perhaps I need to be more open about abuse being good for someone.

I can understand humiliation in play, but if the person truly believes I am piece of shit and treats me badly then that crosses the line into abuse. If I believe I am nothing but an piece of trash to be thrown away until he/she gets bored...then there is something wrong with not only myself for feeling that dispassionate about myself, but also with the other person who has no love for human feelings, nor caring if someone is hurt. (And I am not talking about physical hurt, or a moment of play for humiliation, I am talking about someone who damages another's mind and view their self...altering it in a way that makes them believe they are nothing and they don't matter in this world).

Which it sounds like in the article the person was doing. A person can refer to another as an object in play and believe it, then a person can refer to a person as an object in life...and believe it. There is a HUGE difference there.

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I am gravely disturbed by this. God.

You didn't understand what I was trying to say, but most times I rarely get my point across correctly. I was saying that not once did the article mention any serious health issues, or did I miss that? Did the article mention what happens when there are serious issues and what should be done about them.
I tend to take what I read on the internet with a grain of salt. Not every article is true to form or really dwelves into the realities of life.

I think this happens to many, many in the Lifestyle. (Submissives and slaves I mean). Not being aware they are being abused, or even the fact that they think they deserve to be treated poorly.

They may believe they get off on it, when really...they don't know how to handle someone who truly loves them.




Treating someone "very badly" and hurting someone emotionally in any way possible (or "whatever way he can") at every turn is something I consider abuse.

Perhaps my abuse meter is off, or perhaps I need to be more open about abuse being good for someone.

I can understand humiliation in play, but if the person truly believes I am piece of shit and treats me badly then that crosses the line into abuse. If I believe I am nothing but an piece of trash to be thrown away until he/she gets bored...then there is something wrong with not only myself for feeling that dispassionate about myself, but also with the other person who has no love for human feelings, nor caring if someone is hurt. (And I am not talking about physical hurt, or a moment of play for humiliation, I am talking about someone who damages another's mind and view their self...altering it in a way that makes them believe they are nothing and they don't matter in this world).

Which it sounds like in the article the person was doing. A person can refer to another as an object in play and believe it, then a person can refer to a person as an object in life...and believe it. There is a HUGE difference there.

I understand where you are coming from, and there is nothing I could say to alter your viewpoint on things.
All I can tell you is that I enjoy humiliation play and I know that I am cared for. I enjoy being on the edge, and I enjoy being treated like an object.
No one can treat me badly without my consent. I am fully aware of the implications of this play and understand what I am entering into.
This type of play does seem extreme, but I would say that the ones who are involved in this type of fetish, do understand what they are entering into as well.
It's just not for everyone.