BDSM And Feminism: Intertwined? How So?

[damyanti]

I suppose that depends on your (often skewed) definition of what feminist is.

I find those women who say that they are not feminists to be spoiled, rude and ungrateful. And also ignorant, because one of the meanings of the word feminist is to be of feminine character. So if you are not feminine, what are you, butch?

If we dare to judge a religion based on the war mongering of the extremists there are always those who will say "shut up you racist hater", and yet it is completely acceptable to bash all women who identify themselves as feminists based on some caricature or a small group of dellusional radicals.

Women died so that you could have a choice. Yes, YOU! They were tortured and prosecuted in a manner that some of you are terribly casual about. And thats not even counting all the women condmned just for daring to show that they have a brain.

Its a horrible matter of things that only a small percentage of women on this planet enjoy it (relative freedom) and yet we now want to stiffle it there too. More than half of Earths population are women, yet they only make 1% of its rich and the most of its poor. Even in countries that we are talking about (a few professions aside) women with equal qualifications are regularly paid less than their male counterparts.
And we are still laregly judged based solely on how we look and how we dress.

Being a feminist isnt about being the one thing, its about the right to be a woman and that we are valued for it.

To me Helen Gurley Brown is as much of a feminist icon as Susan B. Anthony.

Yes, I agree, that in some western countries certain things have went too far...but its once again a matter of women having to be responsible for everything. It, of course, has nothing to do with men being lazy and spoiled and twisting things by thinking that now that women are "liberated" it means that in adddition to going to work, cooking, cleaning, and looking after the children they also now have the right to change their own tires.

How exactly are feminists responsible that men cant keep up? I must have missed the part in the feminist manifesto where it says that wanting equal pay and the right to expression somehow amounts to men becoming rude and unmotivated.

Yes, its all feminist fault. It would have nothing to do with consumerism, technological development, increase in the population, mobility of the people, the fact that teaching etiquette in schools has been deemed uncool and worthless...

I am a feminist. I expect to be treated equally in all things. And I think that when it comes to "romance" men should be men and women are to be treated as ladies.

But men are rarely men anymore, and paradoxaly thats often down to overindulgent stay at home moms. An example: a lady in question was a high powered corporate manager who quit her job to raise her children, an older boy and a girl. Last year a girl started school. But seeing her take them to school is a real telling sight...her little daughter carries (struggles, really) her own bag, and she is teaching her to mend for herself and to be independent. Mom however carries her sons bag, and openly admits that she is softer on him and that she tends to "cuddle" him more and do things for him that she expects her daughter to do for herself.

Personally, (I am not that old)...I couldnt wait for my mom to go back to work after my brother was born. Its true that her career for a long time took back seat to my dads, but I cant exspress how much I was always proud of her for working. I love my mother, but the thought of her as a stay at home mom fills me with horror. The trick is in balance.
Of course, I have to admit, when it comes to my brother my mom was no better than the lady in the above example.

Sorry ladies, you cant have it both ways. You cant say I am not a feminist, but I want choice and equal pay. You want want want...well, sorry, but without feminits you are nothing but a pair of tits and an ass and nobody cares what you want.

*I appologies for crude language, but I was demonstrating a point.*