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    Quote Originally Posted by mkemse View Post
    Love your direct reply and answer, I agree with you 100000%

    I had an idea i sent to my State Senator, limit campaigning to 6 month before the election, you can't even annouce your intentions to run earlier then 1 year before the Nov elections, 1 Nation Wide Super Primary, all state have their Primaries on the same day

    Pick the Candidate from the 1 day National Primary, Nominate him/her at the Conventions, Give each Parties Candidate the same amount of Money to spend, no more no less, no fund raising , donation, amnd limit TV AND Radio ads to say 5 per person per month, no more no less,ect 1 lump sum to use (or abuse) as he/herwantsvote for him or her in November AND GET IT OVER WITH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    First Amendment issues with some of that, unfortunately, but on the limited campaign season, I can get behind that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragoczy View Post
    First Amendment issues with some of that, unfortunately, but on the limited campaign season, I can get behind that.
    They can still have complete freedom of speach and say what you want aboutthe issues and each other, but limit the time they have to do it that's all, do not change anything justthe timeframes they can do in it, if you limit the moneyyhey have to advettise NOBODY has an advantage over the other and the can campaign for once on the issues and not worry about the money ect. each person still has the same amounto f money and time only it is limited

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkemse View Post
    They can still have complete freedom of speach and say what you want aboutthe issues and each other, but limit the time they have to do it that's all, do not change anything justthe timeframes they can do in it, if you limit the moneyyhey have to advettise NOBODY has an advantage over the other and the can campaign for once on the issues and not worry about the money ect. each person still has the same amounto f money and time only it is limited
    By limiting their airtime you're limiting their speech. It's the same issue I have with McCain-Feingold -- it sounds good, but it violates people's rights. I'm not saying I like the system, just that setting limits is a slippery slope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragoczy View Post
    By limiting their airtime you're limiting their speech. It's the same issue I have with McCain-Feingold -- it sounds good, but it violates people's rights. I'm not saying I like the system, just that setting limits is a slippery slope.
    I think you could consider it more a limitation on how much they are permitted to spend on the media, such as commercials and the like. If all sides are treated equally I don't believe there would be any violation of first amendment rights. They can still say what they want on the stump, at meetings, at rallies, etc. They would still get news coverage, provided that coverage is equal and unbiased. Just limit their paid commercial time.

    And I like the idea that all candidates are funded equally, from a public fund set up for that with voluntary donations. All donations made to a joint fund, not to a particular party. That might make it even more likely that the candidate with the best platform will be elected, not the one with the best funding.

    Of course, this is all fantasy. About as likely to happen as the moon falling down. Oh, well. It's a nice dream, anyway.
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    I think you could consider it more a limitation on how much they are permitted to spend on the media, such as commercials and the like. If all sides are treated equally I don't believe there would be any violation of first amendment rights. They can still say what they want on the stump, at meetings, at rallies, etc. They would still get news coverage, provided that coverage is equal and unbiased. Just limit their paid commercial time.

    And I like the idea that all candidates are funded equally, from a public fund set up for that with voluntary donations. All donations made to a joint fund, not to a particular party. That might make it even more likely that the candidate with the best platform will be elected, not the one with the best funding.

    Of course, this is all fantasy. About as likely to happen as the moon falling down. Oh, well. It's a nice dream, anyway.
    The First Amendment doesn't say all limits must be equally applied, it says that there won't be any limits in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragoczy View Post
    The First Amendment doesn't say all limits must be equally applied, it says that there won't be any limits in the first place.
    But I'm not limiting their free speech. I'm only limiting their access to a method of disseminating that speech. Any person in this country is, theoretically, allowed to say pretty much what he wants to say. He is not permitted to go around with a bull horn all day and night spouting off his beliefs. That impinges on other's rights to peace and quiet. The same principle applies her, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    But I'm not limiting their free speech. I'm only limiting their access to a method of disseminating that speech. Any person in this country is, theoretically, allowed to say pretty much what he wants to say. He is not permitted to go around with a bull horn all day and night spouting off his beliefs. That impinges on other's rights to peace and quiet. The same principle applies her, I believe.
    There's a significant difference between a bullhorn and television air time. You would be saying that I, as a candidate, could not spend my own money to by advertising time and deliver my message. Just as McCain-Feingold limits when I, as an individual, can spend my money to express my personal view on the election. Both are wrong and should not be allowed.

    Once you start the limiting, it may sound simple, but it becomes very complex. Who's limited and when and how? Public funds -- if only public funds can be used, then who qualifies to get them? It's dangerous territory, because freedoms are lost in little steps.

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