I trust I am one of these subs you mention rachel ?

To answer that I must clairify some things about my views conserning dominance and submission.

Obeservationally speaking from my own experiences and trainning when it comes to this there are a few different ways of looking at it.


1.) Alltough inflicting pain per say can be done in such a way that a submiisve isnt "topping" so much as it is exactly how and what is to be done, biting, resisting, raking fingernails etc etc all inflict pain but a dom bending over to take a dildo up the bum while being called names and spanked by the sub and later mabey pee'ed on is different. That is role reversal, its commonly called "switching".

2.)The agreement or covenant of understanding the individuals involved in have; has a lot to do with how these activites are viewed.

3.)For some what actions or activities are preformed by a given partner have little or no bearing whatsoever on thier perspectives in relation to each other as to if the sub and dom can go back to "resume" thier respective places again after engaging in the forementioned kinds of activity.

4.)Other submissives that don't consider themselves to be "Switches" per say, if ordered to engade in a said manner with thier dominant can switch roles and go back to being submissive and or see thier compliance as submission during the act. They are able to convience themselves that they are not really switching roles and tell themselves that thier dominant is still in charge because he ordered them to do "it" etc.

For them this is true.......just as the opposite is true for others.

(i would be one of those others)

5.)For some of us a different dynamic applies in our relationships where actions speak louder than words when it comes to defining one's self identity, for us preforming a submissive act places one under the dominion of another and may break the pre-established covanant between us.

In effect placeing one in a subservient position to the other where it may take more than saying "ok baby I am in charge again" to recover that dominance beacuse mere words will not sufice.

One may never be able to reasert it if the "action" was signifigant enough because for us a dominant can only command the amount of submission that they are capable of aserting just as a submissive only submits to those who can command that submission.

For us and those like us D/s can be viewed as a fluid and constant struggle for dominion where actions of dominance and submission re-afirm the covenant between Master and slave.

Some actions can reduce or replace the amount of dominion one commands from another becuase they are by defualt the actions of a submissive in and of themselves for both parties involved.

These acts of submission for them have ritual signifigance and for some profound spiritual meanings. They are not mere physical interactions of flesh on flesh for us.

So to answer your question rachel I persoanally would be rather shocked if my Owner were to break the ritual covenant between us by demanding what for us would be un-natural for him to demand just as if he did such he would know full well how I should act in responce.

6.)This does not mean that for the other formention people that they cannot or do not have any spriritual covenant between them, or lack signifigance in thier identities just becuase thiers are different from my own.

It just means that thier relationship dynamic is based on a different things, that thier perspectives when it comes to definitions of "identity" are different from my own.

It is my opinion that in all three cases of different types of D/s dynamics:

In no way shape or form is the submissive any less of a submissve or the dominant any less of a dominant when they act in accordance to thier own respective traditions in a manner that is natural where as these matters are conserned for them.